Join us as we dive into the creative world of TC Robinson, a comic book creator known for blending horror with humor. In this episode, TC shares his journey from aspiring prop maker to indie comic artist, discussing his inspirations, creative process, and the unique challenges of crafting horror stories with a twist.
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Ryan George (00:14)
Hey everyone, so I am here with TC Robin. He is a writer, creator, has some really cool and interesting book out and so we’re gonna talk, chat a little bit about horror, about comics. So TC, how you doing?
TC Robinson (00:28)
I’m doing pretty well, other than the bad weather here, I’m doing absolutely fine.
Ryan George (00:30)
Yeah.
Well, I guess that’s the, cause you said you’re in Leeds, right? Yeah. And I guess that’s kind of like the stereotype, right? Like the weather’s always bad.
TC Robinson (00:35)
Yes, Leeds Base currently,
Yes, literally one
day lovely summer weather and then hand cut the next day is just pouring down with rain. just like that, it can flip on a switch. So the winter blues are coming, I guess.
Ryan George (00:44)
Yeah. Is it is that is that really the truth? Like it’s just the weather’s like, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I guess so. But but it doesn’t get so cold does it get for you?
TC Robinson (00:57)
It gets decently. The worst is like peak December when it’s so cold and it’s pouring down with rain. So my face starts to freeze and you have to wear a hood over your face just to protect yourself.
Ryan George (01:04)
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. That’s good. It’s like I’m in New York and you know, winters are bad, but not as bad as they used to be. You could definitely like, I can see as in growing up, like the effects of like climate change even here where it’s like, you know, we used to have like, we used have a lot of snow, we’d have a couple of blizzards every year. And now it’s like, every couple of years, we get some snowfall. But like, we’ll go years where there’s just like very minimal snowfall. And it’s like, it’s
TC Robinson (01:15)
Hmm
Yes, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Ryan George (01:33)
In some ways it’s nice, but it’s also like, I don’t know what this is doing to the rest of the rest of the world.
TC Robinson (01:34)
Yeah.
I would give
my soul to get some snow. Just anything just to get some snow here.
Ryan George (01:41)
really? Okay. Yeah, I hate it. mean, it’s like,
it’s Yeah, but but I could see the appeal. Like if you’re never, you know, there’s like kind of like, one of my favorite vacations that we’ve been on is going to Alaska where it is bitter, cold and freezing. But it’s kind of cool and unique as a one time thing. But like getting your
TC Robinson (01:59)
Yeah. Well,
all we get here is it will rain and then one day you wake up and the floor is covered in ice. That’s the closest we tend to get. yeah. So everywhere just becomes a death trap to try and get to.
Ryan George (02:08)
that’s, yeah, that’s the worst. Yeah, that’s the worst. Yeah.
that’s, that’s awful. I can’t imagine like driving in that’s gotta be miserable. So, so I, with any creators that we interview, I’m always interested in how people get, you know, get into it. Cause there’s just so many different stories. So the first question we always kind of ask any creator is for you to give us like kind of your origin story as a creator. And then if you didn’t like start with comics,
TC Robinson (02:27)
Thanks.
Ryan George (02:37)
how that shifted and led you to writing comics.
TC Robinson (02:41)
Oh, absolutely. And that’s the key point is that I never started off wanting to do comic books. That’s just where I ended up. And it all led back to like, as a kid, I’m a part of the generation where it’s like, grew up with YouTube. That’s how I learned about a lot of spaces and the outside world sort of thing a lot of the time. And it began with like YouTube channels who, it’s weird enough, they would make like props for like movies and stuff. And then how I started writing was going…
my God, I want to make this prop. It would be so cool. Let me write a story around that. So then I would write that. And then obviously I remember at like age 10, right in my first movie script, which was about like a Godzilla monster attacking because I wanted to make like a city scape and like just smash it to pieces. And then as I slowly got over, the years, which I hate to say it, but I realized that, making a movie.
Ryan George (03:11)
interesting, interesting, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (03:37)
It’s a little bit expensive and a little bit difficult to do for nobody. So then I was like, OK, I can turn into a comic. can draw. Drawing is one of my favorite things to do ever. And then so it literally became me Googling how to make a comic, how to draw comic. And then eventually came across the comic discussion YouTube channels like Comic Pop and Comic Story and those sort of people where they talk about comics. And then after a couple, like,
Ryan George (03:38)
Yeah. Yeah.
Mm.
TC Robinson (04:06)
It went from me not really knowing much about comics, like I love superheroes, had cut to a couple of months later when I’ve spent way too many hours on YouTube, to me loving comic books, starting to build my collection of comics and just becoming addicted to it to the point where now I can’t see myself doing anything else. So that’s my story. And obviously I’ve just recently graduated from a comic design course. So now it’s literally…
Ryan George (04:24)
Yeah, that’s great.
Mm.
TC Robinson (04:33)
All my life has pivoted straight into that sort of thing. Yeah, so that’s how I started.
Ryan George (04:36)
Yeah, so now did you,
so you graduated, it was Leeds Art University, Correct. Now did you graduate, did you specifically study comic art? wow, interesting.
TC Robinson (04:41)
Yes, yeah.
Yes, so there was the,
I never wanted to go to university ever. Anyone who knows me during college, I was going, I’m done with education. I’m sick of it. I never want to go again. Then one day I just so happened around COVID time happened to Google at courses just to see what my options were. Then found Leeds at where they do a comic and concept at course. And then immediately that just, that thought I had in the back of my mind of I never want to do education again.
Ryan George (04:54)
Yeah.
Mm.
TC Robinson (05:13)
just disappeared immediately and I applied the same day.
Ryan George (05:13)
Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.
Interesting. So now what did, ⁓ what’d you learn from, like, what did you learn from that? ⁓ let’s say, okay, so you’re, you know, interested in comics, go, you’re going through YouTube. You’re learning a lot about the process. What did that course teach you about comics that maybe you didn’t learn from, you know, just researching things on YouTube or maybe finding books or doing whatever online research.
TC Robinson (05:25)
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
What it taught me a lot, and it’s like, there was a lot of fundamentals learning, but a lot of it was just go and make this. You have to go and make this now. And because I grew up with like this side of the more like, Marvel and DC side of publishing, I never really thought about the indie space at all. But then some of my lecturers are indie comic book creators, like
Ryan George (05:59)
Yeah.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (06:03)
One
of my lecturers who left recently, John Pearson, is currently making a book for Image and stuff. So it’s like, it almost taught me to look at it not just from this huge scape across the world, but what can I do in my small community? What one comic that I could make that I can then go to all the conventions around? Like, not just me shivlet, like begging at Mabel’s door, being like, I swear I’m good. Like, it taught me to…
Ryan George (06:09)
Okay, great.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (06:31)
lead myself and be my own person making comics. And it also gave me the time to make it where if I went into maybe a different course like illustration, I may have not been able to have like three full books out by now.
Ryan George (06:44)
Yeah, no, that’s great. So now a question, what’s the ⁓ indie scene like out there?
TC Robinson (06:49)
First specifically and I’m so glad that it started in Leeds. Obviously I’m not all over the country and where I’m from is Cardiff in Wales. There is nothing there. There is one convention but that conventions like you’ll get like James Gunn’s brother and the artist alley will be like this big compared to everything else. But then Leeds has such this strong community of comic book creators. I don’t know.
Ryan George (06:58)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
TC Robinson (07:14)
why or how, but it just so happens to be that a lot of creators are in this city. There’s loads of socials and clubs based around comic books. And then just around this area, like in York, they do a huge comic convention every year, which thankfully I’m going to this year. So it’s this sort of thing where over this course of the rest of the year, I hope to try and weasel my way into all of these groups. But it’s the sort of thing where it’s like,
Ryan George (07:19)
Yeah.
great.
TC Robinson (07:42)
within just this city alone, there’s a couple of like, like small celebrities where it’s like every person who does comics knows a couple of people who are like, that’s where I want to be a couple of months from now sort of thing.
Ryan George (07:51)
Yeah
Yeah, that’s cool. So my, so my, main book, my writer kind of did the opposite of you where he I’m not, I’m not great with geography, UK geography, but I he moved from England to Wales. I believe not card if I believe he did move from England to Wales. But so it’s interesting. But but but yeah, it gets not as big of a scene out there probably for him to.
TC Robinson (08:06)
Yeah.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
⁓ I wouldn’t
say so, I’m also, like I said, it’s like I never really expanded into the indie scene until I came to Leeds. So it’s like, this is what I’m used to now. But maybe if I ever do like go back to Canada for a bit, I may find like this underground dweller of just like comic book creators down there.
Ryan George (08:25)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah
now have you tabled yet at any conventions?
TC Robinson (08:41)
⁓ I tabled at Thought Bubble, so Thought Bubble is the one in Harrogate or York that’s nearby and that’s the big one. That’s where like you get like Chip Sadasky and Tinian will come down and they’ll be the big main sort of people. But there’s a couple of like this. It’s pretty much not. It’s never the yeah, here’s John Cena or another celebrity. It’s we’re all artists. We’re all in it together. Last year I did it for my university.
Ryan George (08:57)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (09:11)
like went through them because Leeds Arts comic course, they have a table each year. So I got to experience that. And then to the point where with my couple of books that I’ve printed now, I was able to go to them for this year and say, hey, I’ve got this product and I’ve teamed up with one of my friends who we worked on stuff together. So now we have a table in the future. But then for now, I’m like, OK, one comic table this year by next year, it’s three.
Ryan George (09:15)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, that’s a great plan. I kind of have done a similar thing, you know, where it’s like, yeah, I did one couple of last year. I did actually kind of three this year. The plan is now to do more, but also get into like a bigger one. You know, I mean, we have an embarrassment of like riches here because I’m in New York. So like we have obviously like we have New York Comic Con, which is impossible to get into. So it’s like, I go every year. ⁓ But yeah, that’s, you know, we get an insane amount of ⁓ creators and you know, all the
TC Robinson (09:39)
The year after that, it’s five. Like, that’s my plan.
Hmm.
Co-sha.
Absolutely. Yes.
Ryan George (10:07)
celebrities and stuff there. So definitely like an embarrassment there. But we have tons of cons in our area. And then just in the general, like within the six hour drive of here, there’s a lot going on. you know, part of the goal is like, all right, done artist alley a couple of times at some of these decent ones. Now it’s like getting into bigger ones. So think that’s a great plan because it’s like, again, this next question is when you did table, what did you learn? Like what was maybe some things that you learned about tabling from that first experience that you didn’t expect?
TC Robinson (10:10)
Yeah. ⁓
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, probably the biggest thing, I’ve worked in customer service for ages. it’s like selling and dealing with money. Absolutely fine with that. But for me, it might have been how many people were looking to meet other people like them. Like I tabled for a couple of hours and then I spent the rest of the time just wandering around trying to gain names and stuff. But the amount of like people’s hands I shook.
Ryan George (10:48)
Yes. Yeah.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (10:59)
just in a small like period of time was crazy because everyone’s thirsty for new creators, new voices, that sort of thing. So it was really nice to like realize I’m not just in it by myself. There’s dozens of other people, hundreds of other people. So, hmm.
Ryan George (11:07)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, there’s a huge community and everybody’s supportive
too. So I think it’s like, yeah, that’s part of it is like the networking and getting to meet people. And yeah, you’re right. I think there are so many people in your table and they’re just there to like network. and, ⁓ you know, if you take advantage of it, you can get, you can build some good connections.
TC Robinson (11:21)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, like that’s my plan this year is like I will buy maybe two things max. I will spend the rest of the time one handful of business cards and my comics just throwing them at people and the other hand best be shaking hands. Otherwise, I’m going home like depressed sort of thing.
Ryan George (11:37)
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
So now did you no, so I just quick question I asked since you started with like the idea of creating props, do you still create props? Or is it just like just the art for you at this point?
TC Robinson (11:48)
Mm-hmm.
Okay, I’m so glad that you asked that because no, I’ve never made a prop, but not I’m starting my masters exactly one week today. So it’s like pretty, it’s going to be a fourth and fifth year of my course pretty much. So just giving me more excuses to make comics and say, no, I’m doing education. Well, actually I’m just drawing all day, but not for my first project, but my second project. I was like, I really want to make something like physically with my hands.
Ryan George (11:57)
Okay.
Okay?
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (12:23)
So what I decided it was, was it’s going to be a puppet based horror story. So as a part of that, I don’t even know if my course is gonna let me, but I’m gonna beg them until I can. So for that, I’m going to be making a series of puppets, which are gonna be the killers of this story. So that’s my first forte into prop making, which I then wanna expand upon over the years.
Ryan George (12:29)
Okay.
yeah yeah
Okay. Got it. Nice. Yeah, that’s great.
Yeah, that’s awesome. You know, it helps also can help with the Kickstarter helps giving, know, having different like things to, you know, to give you a potential giveaway. It gets expensive once you start making things like that. But, but it’s cool. Like that’s all that’s awesome. So, um, yeah.
TC Robinson (12:53)
Exactly,
Absolutely.
Yeah. And it’s like,
cheers. I want to make that comic. That is going to be the first comic that I want to submit to a publisher. I don’t want to self-publish. I want to go to someone, make like industry contacts, and I want to have something someone else believes in, not just myself. And then, so that’s what I want to do with that comic. But then I always thought about like, OK, every convention I do after, right where my table is, and there’s a stack of those puppet horror comics.
sat right on top is that puppet just staring at people as they walk by. And if that doesn’t catch eyes, I don’t know what will.
Ryan George (13:31)
Yeah. Yeah. yeah. Yeah.
It’s huge. you know, that’s a great, great idea. part of, part of my thing when it comes to table in conventions is like, how do you stand out? Because ⁓ I’m not the most outgoing person in the world. Like I’m very good one-on-one, right? If somebody starts talking to me, I can keep going. I can, you know, I’m fine in that setting, but for me, I’m not the type to walk up to people. So having things that are eye catching at your table help.
TC Robinson (13:45)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Ryan George (13:58)
And like my hobby is 3D printing. And so one thing that helped like when I’ve tabled the last couple of times is like, I will make things specifically relating to my comics that will draw the eye or get attention. And that helps. So anything that will get people looking and think, oh, that’s interesting. What’s that? And gravitate to you is huge. It helps a lot with getting that engagement. And once you get them in.
TC Robinson (14:12)
Yeah.
Ryan George (14:20)
you know, like I, I did a, I made a little pitch box, which was like a little thing where I had four different tags of just like a line about a comic. And then people could choose which one they wanted to pitch. They push a button, the light pops up or lights up. And it was amazing. Cause I would get people to ask, basically it was like, they were, it was like, they were playing a game of which, which pitched I was going to give them. And I didn’t have to do any work. So they just go up to the table and say, Ooh, interesting.
TC Robinson (14:29)
Mm-hmm.
They just got to choose.
Ryan George (14:45)
Oh, which one do I want? You know, they just pressed the one and that was great. So it’s like, yeah, that’s a great way. You know, it’s like having something that gets people drawn in is awesome. Cause then it, cuts, uh, it eliminates that need to like talk to every, or, you know, try to pull everyone in.
TC Robinson (14:49)
That’s dope,
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, instead of just like screaming by my book, people come to you instead for once.
Ryan George (15:00)
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Yeah. One of the best I tell the story. There was a guy at one convention that was sitting next to me. He was amazing because what he did, I was so impressed is he would basically look at everybody that walked by and immediately identify something about them. And I’m sure this is just a common sales tactic, but it was like he’d see them, he’d identify something about them and call it out to them. And that would engage them. It was like, nice shirt. I like that character because of X, Y, and Z. And he had it. And then he’d have him in, you know, and it was like a
TC Robinson (15:19)
Yeah.
Of course,
Ryan George (15:30)
amazing watching him just do that to everybody. Unfortunately, I had to hear the same pitch a thousand times throughout the day, but it was like, I wish I had that ability, unfortunately.
TC Robinson (15:35)
Of course, yeah, over and over and over again.
Yeah, I would struggle so much with that because my brain, I know I would see someone walking in and then I’d be like, I’m going to compliment them. And then my brain would just draw a blank immediately and then they’ve gone.
Ryan George (15:45)
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, exactly. So tell me a little bit about your, and we’ll definitely get into your work, into your books too, because I want to hear, know, I’ve read one and, you know, just talk a little bit about your stuff. But tell me about your own like creative process. Like do you, what kind of inspires you? What motivates you to write? How do you go about it? Do you have a structure? Do you not? yeah, a little bit about your own process creatively.
TC Robinson (15:54)
Mm.
Well, to begin with my inspirations, for me, I don’t know, my parents are two very different people with completely different inspirations. My father loves Jackie Chan action movies, while my mother loves B-movie horror. So a lot of my inspiration comes from those two things that then come together. And so I try and include compositions and like…
Ryan George (16:28)
Okay.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (16:39)
just cool set pieces from some movies and then just cheesy horror from the other movies. So those are my biggest inspirations as well as like this sort of like new era of horror movies that are coming out, which I just adore. But then I’ve always been, I would say quite a creative person to the point where now it’s like, I have a document that is like 60 pages long that just has like bullet point ideas of everything that I wanna do. So it’s like nowadays my process is,
Ryan George (16:44)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
TC Robinson (17:09)
⁓ Let’s use like that puppet story for an example. I was like, my God, I’d love to make a comic about killer puppet. I have that concept in my brain. And then I go to that huge list of ideas and I go, what else would work with that? And I had one note where it was like a horrifying version of Red Riding Hood. And I was like, if I replace Red the Wolf with a killer puppet, what does the story become then?
Ryan George (17:19)
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay.
interesting.
TC Robinson (17:37)
And then I’m always the sort of person where it’s like, I’ll write down an idea. And all I want to put is one sentence, kill a puppet. I’ll write that. And then as I’m writing that down, I think of a new idea. And then I’m like, and in this scene, this could happen. and in this scene, and then by the time that I’m done, it’s two hours later. And I’ve got an outline for a comic when I was only meant to write down three words. So that’s sort of my process.
Ryan George (17:50)
Yeah.
Nice, that’s great.
And then do you find like, is there a moment where you’re like, all right, I’m ready to actually write the thing? Or do you find it just comes naturally to you? Like, how do you get to that point of like, all right, I’ve got the ideas, but when are you ready to start writing?
TC Robinson (18:13)
Hmm.
For me, recently, I’ve been writing so much over the past couple of months since I’ve been on my summer break that I’ve written five or six comics. And on each one of them, specifically that puppet one, I remember looking at it like this huge outline and going, something’s missing. There’s something that’s not clicking in my mind. And then pretty much what I then have to do is write a separate list of crazy ideas that I could include.
And for me, it’s trying to find that one spark of this is it. This is, even if I’ve got an outline, which could make a decent story, there’s always needs to be something else added on top, feel like. But sometimes I have caught myself in that situation where I write a full comic and then I go, it’s missing something. And then like a month later, I’ve never made the comic because it’s always been missing something. But I think that comes from like me improving.
Ryan George (19:03)
you
TC Robinson (19:13)
and being able to like re-examine my old work.
Ryan George (19:14)
Yeah.
Okay, cool. Yeah, makes sense. I think everybody has that kind of, what works as far as getting into that. So now as somebody who is an artist and a writer, what do you consider yourself first? Or maybe not even what do you consider yourself first, right? Because you think you’re both on similar, but like, you think about your stories like…
TC Robinson (19:22)
Exactly,
Mm-hmm.
Ryan George (19:39)
Like for me, right? Like I’m a writer, I can color, but I’m not like an artist, you know, I don’t draw, right? So when I’m thinking, I’m more thinking about the dialogue and about themes and about story and how it moves. And then I start thinking visually about, this will look cool, that’ll look cool. But the visual in my head always comes later, ⁓ you know, than even though it’s a comic, right? The visual is coming after I’m thinking about what the story beats are gonna be and what the dialogue is gonna be and themes that we’re working with.
TC Robinson (19:40)
Mmm. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Ryan George (20:04)
⁓ But how does that work for you? Are you thinking visually more when you’re writing things down or is it the same thing? Are you thinking more like a writer and about, again, the story beats when you’re creating a script?
TC Robinson (20:17)
Yeah, for me, I feel like I have an interesting way of doing it where it’s like my outline for a comic, obviously, it’s incredibly visual because I think the way my brain works is I create like images and that’s how it works. In my outlines, there’s almost never dialogue. Dialogue is something that I always come to afterwards, especially with the books that I write and draw. What I end up doing is writing an outline.
writing a script that has no dialogue in it whatsoever, I just know the basic beats of every single scene. I then thumbnail and lay out the comic and draw speech bubbles. And then after the fact, I add speech on top of that. So it’s this interesting thing where it’s like, I think visually, then write it down, then draw it artistically, then come back and add the dialogue and then go to the ad. So it’s this like step-by-step process that I’ve had in my mind for ages.
Ryan George (21:11)
I mean, interesting. So I’m going to get ahead of myself because I want to talk a little bit about, um, about, uh, your comic. Cause there was one scene that I love, one scene in particular that really stood out to me, say, uh, that I love, I love the scene. and, in talking to you about your process, I’m wondering the scene where the grandma puts on her like uniform, you know, uh, was that one of those things that like you thought, like, you know, like I want to put that kind of like montage or that scene together. Cause like that’s straight out of a, like an eighties movie.
TC Robinson (21:13)
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
⁓ Absolutely, absolutely. It’s like I co-wrote it with my friend Lily. So we were literally, I came to her with this idea. I was like, I have a concept, here you go. And then we sat down and we’re just writing bullet points. And then as soon as this idea of the grandmother being a dog handler in her past life, I was like, well, we have to have a montage scene. We just have to like, because of the sort of vibe that we wanted to go to, which is horror, but it’s this.
Ryan George (21:42)
Okay. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (22:09)
You’re to have fun with it. Like it’s light-hearted as much as it can be. And I was like, this grandma has to have a montage scene. Cause in my head, that’s a funny visual of a grandma putting on her boots, going out to get revenge. Like, so it came to me almost immediately. And then even when we were going through edits of the story, I was like, I know what’s staying. And it’s that scene that is staying the most.
Ryan George (22:10)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, that was great.
Yeah. And so in talking, you know, I wondering if that was a moment of like, you know, like that light bulb moment of that’s the thing, or that’s the scene and it works great. So yeah, let’s talk a little bit about, about furry phobia. Where’d the idea come from? And why, why the decision to let’s say go with one shot?
TC Robinson (22:37)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Okay, well, I recently made not to plug myself, obviously, but I recently made a YouTube video as well, which talks about like, furries be a slasher icon in themselves because but the way it started was I went to Leeds Arts University. It’s a huge indie scene, like everyone’s alternative, very accepting. And I love that for the uni. And but the one day that terrified me was when it was Halloween and someone walked in with a fursuit.
Ryan George (23:23)
You
TC Robinson (23:25)
People can
wear whatever they want and I respect it for them. But seeing just the visual of walking into a dining area and just seeing a furry stood in the middle of it, sent like a shiver down my spine immediately. But then I didn’t come up with the idea until, I don’t know, just one day something clicked in my mind. I was like, I want to write just a quick little story. And I just got that visual in my head and I was like, it’s on the third page or second page.
Just a furry stood outside your window staring back at you. So that’s where the idea came from. And then the reason why it’s a one-shot is mostly because it was meant to begin as a 24-hour comic. The idea was is that me and Lily were going to get together and within 24 hours make a really like just tattered comic within 24 hours just to say that we could do it.
Ryan George (23:56)
Yeah.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (24:19)
And then we spent 24 hours writing the thing, let alone drawing it as well. And then we ended up having so much fun with the idea that it’s like, okay, we can take a couple of months to do this and enjoy ourselves. But the reason why it’s a one shot is because, I don’t know, just because I didn’t want to become too bloated. I just had this idea of like bare minimal dialogue, just only visual speaking for itself sort of thing. But then it’s interesting that you say that because over the past couple of days,
Ryan George (24:24)
Yeah.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (24:48)
making that video, I thought and researching the topic of theories in the community, I thought of like more scenes that I could have added if it was bigger. So one of my idea lists is maybe not to expand issue one, but to make a sequel to it later on or something like that, depending on if people like the book or not, because I’m the sort of person where if I have one idea, I can’t just think about the one idea. I now have like seven sequels going on afterwards, but
Ryan George (24:56)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (25:18)
So
that’s the reason why it’s a one shot, for now at least.
Ryan George (25:21)
I’m curious, have you talked to or interacted with anyone in the furry community? Or has anybody seen the book and any feedback you’ve gotten?
TC Robinson (25:29)
Absolutely. It’s like I
know furries from my course and they’re all very lovely people and it’s like I put in a couple of our group chats and they all seem to appreciate it but then I went on YouTube at one point and was like let me email some furry creators and see what their opinion is sort of thing and then I’ve never felt my hat sink so much was when I sent it I sent the just like the pitch to someone who was a part of furry community and they went
Ryan George (25:36)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Alright.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (25:56)
This is harmful. This is destructive. Can’t believe you’re doing this. And then I was like, okay, I’m willing to learn. Here’s the comic. Let me know. Let me know what you think about it. And their only reply was, not harmful at all. Quite fun. Good luck. That’s what the email was back. And I was like, the sweat off my brow, like, because obviously I don’t want to offend anyone. And that’s why specifically in the comic,
Ryan George (25:59)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (26:25)
Spoilers alert, I guess, but the suits are hollow. So it’s there’s no people inside of it. It’s just this idea of It’s almost like if a night Like a medieval night suit came to life and start attacking the people. not I’m not trying to offend medieval nights I’m just exploring that as a concept pretty much
Ryan George (26:29)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it comes across, like, think that, you know, there’s, there definitely is a world where you could use that to poke fun of people. So one of the interesting things when I saw the title and looked at it initially was like, ⁓ I wonder if this is kind of a, you know, satire meant, you know, aimed at furries. And, know, cause you do get a lot of that just in general. And whenever you do hear about furries and pop culture, it’s generally not in a positive light, but yeah, but definitely in reading the book, like it never feels like that to me. So I think you do a good job of balancing it.
TC Robinson (26:52)
Absolutely,
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Perfect. it’s like,
with me coming up with like sequel ideas, it’s not just like, let’s follow this grandma. It’s like, what if I had a theory go up against these killer theories, like evolving it like that. It’s like, I’m not out to harm anyone. I just had this image in my brain of like, and I had to execute it pretty much.
Ryan George (27:23)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, so and you do a really good job. One of the things you do and I think it’s interesting you mentioned not like that you put the dialogue last and that’s probably an issue a lot of writers have is I do think you do a really good job of like, well the action’s great and of minimizing the dialogue so you really can see, know, it looks good and so to allow the visuals to speak, you know, for themselves, you know, so to speak and that works great in the story where it’s like you’re letting it like letting us sit in the visuals.
TC Robinson (27:42)
Mm-hmm.
Thank you.
Ryan George (28:01)
rather than trying to tell us, which I think is an issue again that a lot of writers have.
TC Robinson (28:01)
Mm-hmm. It’s so interesting,
yeah, it’s so interesting that you say that because I believe you’ve read currently a previous edit of Furryphobia, where I have now added a couple of pieces of dialogue because I did give it to a couple of people and not that they were confused, but it was a sort of thing where it’s like something’s missing. So there’s like during that scene where… ⁓
Ryan George (28:13)
interesting.
Okay, interesting,
TC Robinson (28:28)
she gets ready. Right before that, we hear the TV announcer talking about what even is a theory? And like, so people can be letting on what the idea is. And then pretty much how the montage begins is the newscaster being like, ⁓ and I think the only way that we can survive this like crazy killer theory slaughter is if we need a, turn the page and as she’s getting a montage, it says we need a hero. like, so I’ve gone into that quirky sense, but it’s like,
Ryan George (28:37)
Got, yeah.
Yeah
TC Robinson (28:57)
If you’ve read some my other stuff, or if anyone has, like Deadman’s Heartbeat, which is a dystopian comic I did, I don’t know how much dialogue I crammed onto every single page. So, and that was a 20 page comic that I just needed to tell this story. But I’m definitely learning to let the visual speak for itself a lot. And Furryphobia is one of my steps into just lending itself to visuals.
Ryan George (29:12)
Yeah.
Yeah. So tell me about the Kickstarter campaign. what’s, ⁓ I guess it’ll be a kind of multi-part is one is give me some, tell us about this specific campaign. What are some of the rewards? ⁓ And then just as this is your first, this is your first Kickstarter campaign that you’ve released, right?
TC Robinson (29:24)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it’s my first one.
Ryan George (29:37)
Yeah, so what have you, and maybe
you can tell me like what you’ve learned so far with this campaign. Any things that you might do different or things that you did that you were like right on, I got this. Yeah, if you can me some feedback on that.
TC Robinson (29:42)
Absolutely. ⁓
Yeah, well, first of all, it’s like Kickstarter is looking for X amount of money. If you go to the Kickstarter website, you’ll be able to see how much it is. But the main rewards for us was we did a couple of covers because it’s me and Lily working together side by side for the covers we did. You take one cover, I take one cover because we are very different styles. So it was interesting to see the characters in both of our different styles. So that’s one of the rewards.
We had a bunch of stretch goals to add pages and stuff. We may not reach that at all. And then some of the other rewards were like big bundles and we love making stickers. One of the things that we did for Thought Bubble and this upcoming Thought Bubble was a bunch of stickers. So then we spent a ⁓ while coming up with like chibi designs and stuff like that. So those are some of the rewards. And then if I was just gonna say the main thing that I probably have learned from this Kickstarter is for one,
Ryan George (30:27)
Okay.
Nice. And, ⁓ yeah.
TC Robinson (30:45)
how to make a Kickstart, because I was dreading that just from the beginning, how important marketing is and the work before that, as well as to not set your… I came into this Kickstart project with like, oh, this is a guarantee, of course, just because I’ve got the luck of the Welsh on my side, I guess. And then I very quickly realized, oh, this takes work, this takes time, it takes community, not just praying every night that it appears all of a sudden.
Ryan George (30:48)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, it’s tough. It’s definitely a different animal. Like anything, like this whole discoverability thing is a challenge. it’s like, there’s so much work on the front end ⁓ to get, that was the big learning for me was just like how much work you need to put in early on, ⁓ months before it starts for the campaign. And it becomes like a second job. I think it’s a big challenge about it, yep.
TC Robinson (31:22)
Mm.
Absolutely,
Whereas I’ve spent loads of hours contacting people, asking people for interviews and finding websites where it can be promoted, contacting people who may like it. But it’s like, the day we finished the comic was the day the Kickstarter went live. So it was literally that thin of a timeline where I should have finished comic and then spent a couple of months just so people know, yeah.
Ryan George (31:59)
Yeah, okay, yeah.
TC Robinson (32:09)
He’s making a comic called Fear-E-Phobia, right? That’s going to come out eventually, instead of just one day just dropping a link for people to go to and fund.
Ryan George (32:15)
Yeah.
Yeah, it’s fun. the good thing with it is you can kind of keep rolling forward with it. So you’ve got two days to go. So this is Monday, September 8. So I when I was listening, the campaign runs through Wednesday. And we’ll have a link to everything. the good thing about Kickstarter is you do get that nice rush at the end. So that’s always a challenge. like, the first couple days are good, then it’s just dead.
TC Robinson (32:24)
Exactly that, Yes.
Perfect, thank you.
Cheers.
⁓ yeah.
Ryan George (32:44)
⁓ you know, and I heard that and I did not believe it until it actually
happened, which is it dies for like the three weeks in between. And then you get that little rush at the end.
TC Robinson (32:51)
Yeah, and that the time that
it was dead, I’ve never felt more dread in my entire life of just every day getting the same email from Kickstarter being like, it’s 30 % funded, 30 % funded. I’m like, 31 % like I would appreciate that much of an increase, yeah.
Ryan George (32:57)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Give you something, yeah.
Or you’d get one, like you get one new backer and then lose a backer. It’s like, could be, yeah. Definitely like Kickstarter could be a little bit, it’s like a tumultuous month of dealing with that, dealing with the campaign. So now tell me about what, so what other work have you, so you said you have other books out, so tell me about the other books that you have out or that you’ve written at this point.
TC Robinson (33:14)
god, yeah.
Yes.
Okay, so if you go to my website, tcrobin.com, which is like where I’ve just put every work that I’ve made for free so far, because it’s like, I’ll sell at conventions, but if anyone wants to read it, I’m not going to like keep my own book from people. I’ve got a couple of stuff on there. I’ve got, from when I was like 14 years old, I put together all the books that I made around that age to just show.
Ryan George (33:46)
Yeah. Yeah.
TC Robinson (34:00)
This was me learning how to do comic panels. This was me learning how to draw like a speech bubble. And my God, I get it wrong at some point. But ⁓ then I then did a web comic during COVID, which then just fizzled out. But the most important thing that I’ve put out is ⁓ an issue called Inferno. So Inferno meaning hell in Latin. And it’s a small little anthology. All of the stories written by me.
Ryan George (34:02)
Yeah.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (34:27)
But by the time the end of the year, it’s actually going to get an update. So there’s going to be collaborative projects in it as well. So the idea was that over the next couple of years, I just keep making these infernal issues to both keep myself inspired by tapping into other genres and also like working with people. Because obviously you will probably understand that sometimes writing in your room alone has just this daunting experience where it’s like.
like just being by yourself for that many hours, but then contacting other people and being like, hey, do you want to draw like just a small panel or do you want to color this? And it’s like, everyone’s looking for something to work on, especially because all my friends are graduates as well. So it’s like people are just jumping at the opportunity. it’s like Infernym one is out and available on the website. Infernym two, I finished it today. Right before we got on this call, I finished the last bit of
Ryan George (35:20)
Okay. Yeah.
nice.
TC Robinson (35:23)
dialogue.
So now by the end of the year, Infernom 2 is coming out and then the big one of the biggest projects that I’ll probably do this year just in general was it’s called Callisto City Dead Man’s Heartbeat. And it’s just this 20 page little story. If I can pitch it for a second, if that’s all right. It’s set in my original world of Callisto City, which is about a it’s a Welsh dystopia, but
Ryan George (35:42)
Yeah, absolutely.
TC Robinson (35:52)
how to describe it perfectly. I’ve written down this pitch so many times and I forget it every single time I have to describe it to someone. It is what if the remnants of humanity lived in five buildings? That as the ocean rise due to X, Y, and Z that you may or may not find out if you read the book, all that’s left is five buildings. And it doesn’t help that the entire ocean is infected with a virus, but if it gets you, you’re turned like that.
So it’s dealing with this Welsh dystopia where the world is so much into ruins that there’s only a few hundred people left. And this is my sort of thing where as a Welshman, I have my own political view sort of thing. So it’s like all the Welsh people live in this city and all the English people live above it in a golden halo that sits up, sits on top. Because, you know, I’m not subtle with my work whatsoever, but this is a world that
Ryan George (36:40)
Of course.
TC Robinson (36:50)
I want to write loads of stories in and eventually do an ongoing series if I could. But as my first step into it, I was like, what if I just choose one character and just show like 10 minutes of their life? So in the book, you follow a grieving father trying to protect his child, which is a cliched sort of trope. But I did it so that he’s trying to get from point A to point B. So you get to experience
Ryan George (36:52)
Yeah.
TC Robinson (37:18)
little handfuls of the world as it goes along. And it doesn’t help that during it, this golden halo that sits upon them has realized, all these people below us starving? Yeah, that’s not good for business. So let’s wipe out a couple of them. And then the main antagonist for it is that he’s being chased by his undead wives the entire time. So seconds before the story, his two wives
Ryan George (37:32)
Mm, okay.
Okay.
TC Robinson (37:44)
took a dunk into the ocean and now he’s being chased. So that’s the work that I’ve done so far. Couple of anthologies and then that big book, is like every couple of years I wanna go back to Callisto city and build upon this world until I can one day make an ongoing or a graphic novel based in it.
Ryan George (38:03)
So you have a strong sense of horror, also incorporating kind of quirky sensibilities into it. So I’m always interested in horror. I love horror as a genre. what are your keys to writing good horror?
TC Robinson (38:10)
Yes. Yeah.
That’s a good question because I think you’d have to ask someone else who’s read my work because I feel like I’m so in it that I couldn’t express that. For me, I think a lot of horror comes from a killer concept. Whether, ⁓ of course you can elaborate on suspense and make it incredibly thematic, but it’s like one good concept can make or break a story, I feel like. And it’s like with that puppet story or with theory phobia, it’s like you’re being chased.
Ryan George (38:27)
Yeah.
TC Robinson (38:52)
through the woods by a furry that is going to eat you. That is just a visual image that sits in someone’s mind. And I think it’s those visual images and concepts that stick with people the most.
Ryan George (38:56)
Mm.
Yeah, yeah, and I would agree with horror. think it’s all in the mind. And so I think the concept makes a big, goes a long way towards investing you in the world. ⁓ So I think, you know, I definitely can see, you know, can see how that, you know, how that works a lot. ⁓ Now, speaking of horror, like any, what’s your favorite horror property? could be anything, comics, it be movies, TV, Anything, can, any couple things that stand out to you.
TC Robinson (39:11)
for you.
Mm-hmm.
Ugh.
Okay,
which probably when I describe this, you’ll see why a lot of my horror has like this quirky vibe to it all because I love the genres that the movies that won’t die that have like 14 movies for no reason whatsoever. So it’s like the hell hellraiser franchise is something that I love where it’s like the first two movies were meant to be hellraiser films and then the rest of them are just scripts that they’ve slapped the label onto. Then there’s
Ryan George (39:39)
Yeah.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (40:02)
Final Destination, which I don’t know if you’ve ever seen those films, but…
Ryan George (40:03)
Yeah. I saw the first,
I saw the very first one and have not seen any since. ⁓
TC Robinson (40:11)
That’s absolutely fine because as the franchise goes on it gets more stupid as time goes on which I absolutely love because it’s like I was talking to someone recently and it’s like I go to horror to be scared, but I want to enjoy myself at the same time like Like recently though speaking of there was a new final destination movie that came out this year. I watched it had great suspense But then I was laughing and enjoying myself. It was like
Ryan George (40:14)
Yeah. Yeah. yeah.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (40:40)
That’s how I get attached to stuff is by, I have such a critical mind where I don’t know if you’re like this, but while I’m watching a film, I’m going, ooh, but why did they do that? but what’s the character’s motive? It’s those films where my brain turns off, where I go, okay, this is fun. This is what I enjoy the most. So that’s my vision of horror. Fun horror is what I wanna see.
Ryan George (40:48)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. ⁓
Yeah.
Yeah, I saw a good one yesterday. I Weapons, which has been getting a lot of press recently. ⁓ Have you seen that yet?
TC Robinson (41:10)
I am watching it tonight as the day that we record it, me and my partner are gonna go watch Weapons. So that’s been on my list.
Ryan George (41:11)
Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. When you see
it, me a message. me know if thumbs up or thumbs down. I liked it. It’s really good. And so yeah, we won’t give anything away, but definitely they do a really good job of it. And I saw in front of it, there’s another one that I have to go see, which is called Good Boy, which is like a horror movie from the perspective of a dog, which looks, it looks great. I can’t wait for that.
TC Robinson (41:20)
Yes.
Okay, perfect.
yes.
All I’ve seen is that poster, which I’m sure everyone knows where it’s just the dog and the shadows reaching for it. And I was like, this is what I mean by a really good concept can sell me. I just saw that image and went, you’ve got my ticket.
Ryan George (41:42)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like my wife
told me about it before we, so I didn’t see the preview and she just said, there’s a horror movie about a dog, you know, and I like a horror movie from the perspective of a dog called good boy. Just that alone. It’s like, I’m sold. Like, yeah, like we saw the trailer ahead of weapons. I was like, I’m still sold. it’s like, yeah, I’m a dog lover. I’ve got, I’ve had plenty of, I’ve had three dogs. I have two currently. And it’s like, yeah, it’s like, I’m sold. I’m just terrified of like,
TC Robinson (42:01)
I’ve… You’ve won me over.
Ryan George (42:18)
That will make me feel something if something certain things happen in that movie. So that’s the only concern.
TC Robinson (42:20)
Yes, yeah. If I don’t walk
out of that movie wanting another dog and that I haven’t cried, that movie hasn’t done itself justice.
Ryan George (42:26)
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Like that’s the, that’s my only fear is I’m going to cause it, cause also like I went to sticking is, you, you have two perspectives because you could, know, you could harm the dog, which we’ll all be upset with, but dogs are so loyal that if you do something to the owner, I’m still going to be upset because I can imagine my dogs seeing me in harm. So it’s just like, yeah, it’s going to kill me. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
TC Robinson (42:40)
Absolutely, yeah.
Ugh.
don’t. My lips gonna start quivering at that. Just the idea of just, ⁓ okay. That’s a whole
different other discussion we can have just talking about good boy and what’s gonna happen. But to go back to that idea of a good concept, a good concept you should hear and then go, ⁓ my God, this is gonna happen and this is gonna happen. And it makes itself in your mind.
Ryan George (43:08)
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, exactly. And that’s always what a good concept will do. all So before we leave, I was, always have like, I always try to have one kind of weird out the box question about your work. So, um, if far afobia was adapted into a B movie, who would you cast as a grandma?
TC Robinson (43:20)
Okay.
⁓ this is so funny that you say that again, because it’s like I literally in my list of movie spec scripts that I would want to write, it just bold letters, fear, phobia. I’ve written nothing on it, but that as a feature would be hilarious.
Ryan George (43:38)
Yeah.
TC Robinson (43:44)
I’d have to look into it a bunch, but obviously you can name like some of the big ones. Grab Meryl Streep. I don’t know. I wouldn’t want like a no name. You have to grab the most famous old woman ever, put her in a dog handler outfit, and then don’t make it, don’t allow her to say a single piece of dialogue. Just the entire time.
Ryan George (43:53)
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, that would be amazing. Yeah.
TC Robinson (44:10)
Just act, just face act and punch furries. That’s this job description here.
Ryan George (44:12)
Yeah. Yeah, that’d be great. Okay, good. I could go for that. I could definitely go for Meryl Streep. Well, TC, this has been it’s been awesome. ⁓ And yeah, so like, you know, again, love the book. It’s great. Really do a good job with like the visuals and with the story with the concept and taking it making the one shot that works.
TC Robinson (44:20)
Huh.
Mm-hmm.
Ryan George (44:35)
⁓
Where can people find you? And then where can people find the Kickstarter? And again, obviously ⁓ I’ll post a link and everything. ⁓ Wherever this is posted, we’ll have links to your work as well.
TC Robinson (44:46)
Yeah,
perfect. So it’s like for Furryphobia, because of the title, you can just go on Kickstarter, type in Furryphobia, it comes up like that. But then to find my work, like I said, tcrobin.com is where all of my work, you can read all of it for free currently. The only thing you can’t read for free is a link that takes you to the Kickstarter. So if you want another book, then there’s tcrobin.comics. That is my Instagram handle. I absolutely hate social media. So you may get a post.
Ryan George (44:50)
Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm.
TC Robinson (45:15)
every like three months and that’s where you’re getting. But I’m constantly on there like on posting stories and then I recently ⁓ did a YouTube channel because I’m more into that space as we’ve discussed. So it’s like instead of making Instagram posts, I want to just vlog every couple of weeks to be like, this is what I’m working on. But unfortunately, if you type in T.C. Robinson doesn’t come up, you literally have to type in T.C. Robinson, Furryphobia, and then it comes up. So if you’re interested in hearing a little bit more about my process.
Ryan George (45:17)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (45:44)
I’ll be making videos on that soon.
Ryan George (45:46)
Awesome, yeah, I’m the same way with social media. It’s like, not good at that, but I found like this works, this, the interviews, this is what really works for me and what I enjoy doing and what, you know, has gotten some attention. So that’s always good. But yeah, like do what works, do what you love. But, you know, marketing is annoying.
TC Robinson (45:53)
Yes, yeah.
Yeah, it’s like
exactly. it’s like, I love to ramble. As you could probably tell from this video, I love to ramble. And it’s like, I can’t put that all in one caption of an Instagram video. I need like a 20 minute disc. I used to run. This was when everyone had a podcast. I started one with my best friend, just so the discussions we had about movies had a place to go. And it’s like, I would never want anyone to watch them now. But it’s like when I came out of.
Ryan George (46:09)
you
Yeah.
Yeah.
TC Robinson (46:29)
The Batman with Robert Pattinson making a three hour video talking about that. That can’t just be like a tweet or something. Like I can’t process all that. Yeah.
Ryan George (46:31)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, exactly. Yeah, seriously.
Yeah, we can I could talk for hours about that. Well, I hope I loved it. I hope you did,
TC Robinson (46:45)
well, the thumbnail of the YouTube video has a poop emoji in it, so you can assume my views from there. I tore it apart, but I was probably, yes, I was probably such a whiny little baby about that film, but that’s old me. ⁓
Ryan George (46:49)
wow, okay, so you did. Okay, next conversation we can talk about that. Yeah, my only issue was the third act. think the third act not
ruined it, but took it down a lot. But I think I I loved it up until that point. But I think it was ran away a little bit with that, but I still joke that. Definitely well.
TC Robinson (47:09)
Yes, the moment
it lost me was when ⁓ Robert Pattinson Batman flew during using a squirrel flight suit and then smacked himself into a bridge. went, what are we doing? Why am I here right now looking at this? Yeah. That’s a different discussion.
Ryan George (47:16)
Okay, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was kind of ridiculous. I can see that. Yeah,
definitely. I’ll keep that off for next time we talk, we’re gonna have, we’re gonna dedicate this section to the Batman. I hope you liked it. Did you like the Penguin at least?
TC Robinson (47:33)
Yes, a three hour video.
I’ve only watched clips. Do you mean the show? I have watched clips of it because I can’t get it anywhere here in Britain. Physically don’t know where to find it. But every clip I’ve seen, I’m like, this hearing that they’re doing a Penguin show, it’s like, what would that even be? And then it’s like, OK, it’s this. You did it perfectly. But what I. But.
Ryan George (47:46)
okay. ⁓ okay.
It’s yeah, it is great. whether like the Batman
or not, like the Penguin is an amazing show.
TC Robinson (48:03)
Yes, yeah. But instead of Robert Pattinson’s Batman being in the background, I want like, like Kevin Conroy’s Batman to smash through the window wearing like bright blue. Like I don’t want grey all the time, but that’s just me. That’s just me.
Ryan George (48:10)
Yeah. Yeah, no,
I agree. I one thing the one thing I liked about the flash movie was that they they for a moment we had some lighter like my favorite part was like the scene in in Michael Keaton’s in that Batman’s batcave where there was a blue a blue and gray suit. I would say that was amazing. So hopefully hopefully James Gunn gives us that. Yeah.
TC Robinson (48:23)
Yes, yeah.
Absolutely, yeah.
If I was literally about to say if
I don’t see 10 Robbins and a big yellow symbol on his chest, I’m not getting a ticket. I’ll go watch Good Boy for a second time.
Ryan George (48:39)
Yeah, I think we’re gonna get that.
Yeah, no, think we’re gonna get that. think James Gunn’s, like, are you able to watch Peacemaker or is that also something you can’t get?
TC Robinson (48:47)
Think is crossed.
Peacemaker, can’t watch it whatsoever. The only parts I’ve seen is through like Instagram reels every day I’m catching up. ⁓
Ryan George (48:55)
It is so good. It’s so good that
we got through episode three. Did you see season, you saw season one then, right? Of it, Peacemaker? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, when you, when you get a chance, like it is, it is a fantastic show. It’s like, they do such a like, so I read somewhere and read it was like, this is James Gunn’s like Magnum Opus. I’m like, yeah, kind of is. It’s that good.
TC Robinson (49:01)
Yes, I’ve seen most of season one, then season two has escaped my grasp.
Okay.
But I feel like every time he makes something new, someone always says this is his magnum opus, clearly he’s just like improving and peaking every other week.
Ryan George (49:23)
Yeah. Yeah. No, but yeah, exactly.
Yeah, seriously. TC this is awesome conversation. can definitely chat a lot. hopefully we’ll some more to talk about ⁓ next time. Thank you.
TC Robinson (49:35)
Yeah, absolutely.