The conversation covers various topics including San Diego Comic Con, the news cycle, and the TV show ‘The Acolyte’. The hosts discuss the casting of Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom in the next Avengers movie and the potential implications of the multiverse. They also talk about the upcoming spinoff of ‘The Boys’ and the recent political events. The hosts share their thoughts on the season finale of ‘The Acolyte’ and express their hopes for the next season. The conversation covers the latest season of The Boys. The hosts discuss their thoughts on the endings, character development, and potential future seasons. They also touch on the fan service and references in both shows. Finally they review Deadpool and Wolverine. They discuss the visual effects and action choreography, and the emotional beats of the film. The hosts share their favorite cameos and gags, and overall, they express their enjoyment of the movie and its ability to provide a fun and entertaining experience.
00:00 Introduction
02:28 Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom and the Multiverse
11:40 The Boys Spinoff
14:58 The insanity of this election season
25:26 Final Thoughts on The Acolyte Season 1
36:12 The Boys Season Review
46:28 Deadpool and Wolverine Spoiler Free Review
50:59 Deadpool and Wolverine Review. SPOILERS!!!
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Keywords
San Diego Comic Con, news cycle, Robert Downey Jr., Dr. Doom, Avengers, multiverse, The Boys, political events, The Acolyte, season finale, The Bad Batch, The Boys, finale, character development, fan service, references, future seasons, Deadpool, Wolverine, fan service, multiverse, chemistry, visual effects, action choreography, emotional beats, cameos, gags, fun, entertaining
Takeaways
- The hosts discuss the casting of Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom in the next Avengers movie and the potential implications of the multiverse.
- They talk about the upcoming spinoff of ‘The Boys’ and the recent political events.
- The hosts share their thoughts on the season finale of ‘The Acolyte’ and express their hopes for the next season. The hosts enjoyed the finale of The Bad Batch but had some criticisms, particularly regarding the fan service and unnecessary cameos.
- They expressed interest in a second season of The Bad Batch and hoped for a more focused storyline.
- The hosts had mixed feelings about the latest season of The Boys, noting that it showed signs of the show’s age and lacked strong character development.
- They appreciated the new characters introduced in The Boys and enjoyed the performances of Sister Sage and Firecracker.
- The hosts felt that The Boys was setting up for an endgame and were excited to see where the story goes in future seasons. The fan service and multiverse elements in the movie were generally well-received by the hosts.
- The chemistry between Deadpool and Wolverine was praised, with the hosts finding their interactions enjoyable and entertaining.
- The visual effects and action choreography were impressive, with the hosts highlighting the fight scenes as some of the best in superhero movies.
- The emotional beats of the film, particularly for Wolverine, resonated with the hosts, although they felt that some aspects could have been developed further.
- The numerous cameos and gags in the movie were appreciated, with the hosts mentioning their favorites and the comedic timing of the jokes.
- Overall, the hosts had a great time watching the movie and found it to be a fun and entertaining experience.
Titles
- The Boys Spinoff and Recent Political Events
- Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom: Implications of the Multiverse The Boys Shows Signs of Age
- New Characters Shine in The Boys Favorite Cameos and Gags
- A Fun and Entertaining Experience
Sound Bites
- “Robert Downey Jr. completing the circle will now be the villain in the next Avengers movie playing Dr. Doom.”
- “There’s room for it. And especially with a multiverse that they’ve been hitting in or something, they might use that to kind of shift a little over to maybe what Deadpool’s universe is.”
- “The only way you can go with this is making him a Tony Stark version of Doom.”
- “The cameo at the end with Yoda’s head was completely unnecessary.”
- “I want a complete season two of the backstory of the villain of season one.”
- “It’s distracting. And if you get it, you get it. And it’s cool. But if you don’t, why did the camera just pan to this random guy?”
- “He wants to play in the big sandbox as well as Ryan Reynolds”
- “They did a good job. And the roles weren’t so blink and you’ll miss it”
- “No Way Home is still, I think they did it best with the way they did this stuff there”
Ryan (00:29)
Welcome to the Portable Hole podcast. I’m here with my good friends, Cynic and Ig. We just spent the weekend playing on Dungeons and Dragons. We had a good time. Cynic, you were the DM and you did an awesome
Cinik (00:40)
You guys can’t get enough of me. The, multi -talented, we’re going to start our own YouTube show and
Ryan (00:43)
Yeah, right. That would be fun.
Ig (00:47)
Yeah, maybe we just got to stream the Dungeons and Dragons games or something.
Ryan (00:50)
Yeah, that’ll be fun to do one day. But yeah, how you guys doing?
Ig (00:56)
Doing well, know, excited to be back, you know, and thanks for inviting me, you know, suffering the summer heat a little bit, but you know, I prefer it to the winter,
Ryan (01:09)
Yeah, no, me too. It’s like, anytime I get, complain too much about the summer heat. I just remember what, you know, winter’s here like, and it’s nothing like where you are, but even here, like winters in New York are bad enough that like, I can’t complain about the
Cinik (01:23)
Right. they’re not a third of what they used to be. We get one storm, one to two storms a year. I mean, the ice is the worst part about it. You know, just based off the way my job is in the summer, I’m actually starting to prefer winter as a, as an event just because it’s so damn hot. No, no. And it’s usually where I’m in probably 15 to 20 degrees warmer down where I am than it is outside.
Ryan (01:24)
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Cause you don’t have it. You’re not working with any AC, right?
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. No, that’s fair. can understand that. And yeah, like, honestly, we probably get one real storm every two years here. Yeah, it’s pretty reasonable.
Cinik (01:57)
Yeah,
Ig (01:59)
Yeah, it’s supposed to be a La Nina year though, so we might be in for
Ryan (02:03)
Okay, well, maybe we get a couple snow days. That would be nice.
Cinik (02:07)
Henry Rollins did a spoken word and he said that the El Nino, which means the child, is not severe enough of a name that they should rename it the motherfucker. It’s like the motherfucker came and ruined my trailer.
Ryan (02:16)
Good. Yeah, so true. All right. Well, we got a bunch to talk about today. So we’ll get right into it. we’ll talk. Let’s get into news first, since there’s quite a bit of news. Well, actually, I mean, was, but it’s been a few weeks. So we’ll just touch on some of the big things. So we had San Diego Comic Con. And actually, San Diego Comic Con was not particularly newsworthy. So there was a panel for Marvel.
And I guess the big news coming out of that was this is that Robert Downey Jr. completing the circle will now be the villain in the next Avengers movie playing Dr. Doom. So what are your thoughts on
Ig (02:56)
Well, there is a comic turn at some point in one of the series that Iron Man does become Doctor Doom. So there is precedence for it. There’s a lot of people I’ve seen online running their mouth about like, they’re just doing it. They didn’t want to hire another actor or they’re just doing fan service or something. And I’m like, no, there’s room for it. And especially with a multiverse that they’ve been hitting in or something, they might use that to kind of shift a little over to maybe what Deadpool’s universe is.
because that would explain why X -Men are younger and other things are going on. So they might move over to rather than 616 where they’ve been, like what is it? One, triple, zero, five or some, it’s a different universe. So in that one, maybe Tony Stark becomes disenfranchised and becomes Dr. Doom.
Ryan (03:45)
Yeah, so guess Cindy, that was a question I’m gonna ask, not knowing completely where this, what they’re gonna be pulling from. Does this mean that we’re getting a Tony Stark version of Doom, or would they go the route of getting a normal, real Victor Von Doom as played by Tony Stark? Which route do think they’ll be going?
Cinik (04:05)
I think it’d be even more distracting if they pretended like he was never Tony Stark in another universe. The only way you can go with this is making him a Tony Stark version of Doom. But this is the problem, is that you take one of the, this is the Babe Ruth on your bench to come off and lead you into the next set of whatever you wanna call it, sessions, seasons, phase. He can lead you into the next phase.
Ryan (04:08)
Yeah.
Cinik (04:34)
and you go with a gimmick. And we had 10 ,000 Kangs running around, which I didn’t think we needed, but at least tied into the character. Doctor Doom is the one fucking Marvel villain that you don’t need a gimmick for. You could have cast nearly anybody as long as they had acting chops and it would have been fine. personally, I would have preferred to see John Haim do the role, especially after this last season of Fargo. He can play a villain. And, you know, there’s just so many actors out there that could have took that mantle.
It just feels like recycled and cheap and gimmicky to
Ryan (05:09)
Yeah, it did feel kind of like it was, they’re going for the cheap pop, right? Like, like you get that moment, you got the big moment, the crowd going wild for him to reveal himself. But if you really sit and think about it, yeah, it’s like, okay, so we, you know, they’ve got, you know, the multiverse, with the exception of, of Deadpool, as we’ll talk about a little bit later has, has been flat. And it seems like we’re going to continue along that route and it almost feels like, all right, let’s, let’s go to another phase. Like I’m good with all this. And yeah, as you said,
Doctor Doom is a good enough villain on his own that get a good, get some with acting chops to play him. And yeah, I think that would have been a better route to go, but maybe they have something up their sleeves.
Cinik (05:47)
And you know what, I love Robert Downey Jr. and I’m not saying he won’t do a good job because he’ll probably do an incredible job. But I hated that moment. Like it just felt cheap to me. It felt like self gratifying. And the smart marks in the room, which there were at least three or four, were all yelling Robert Downey Jr. before he revealed himself. So, I mean, everybody knew what was coming. It was no real big surprise. That was the rumor for a while now. And I just, think it’s completely unnecessary.
Ryan (06:17)
How about you, would you have preferred a different person playing the character or are you good with Tony Stark or with Robert Downes
Ig (06:22)
Well, I would prefer that if they were going to do it, make sure the Fantastic Four movie comes out, make him the main antagonist in the Fantastic Four movie from the 60s and just have him continue on with somebody that they could do just a slight aging on or something, or have some excuse on why he isn’t aging much or something from the cosmic thing. Because, you know, like the Victor Von Doom, like got attacked by the cosmic stuff just like the Fantastic Four did. And it just went a different path with it, kind of being a bad
I know that they did it in the comics with Tony Stark. If that’s the way they’re going to go, they better have a damn good story because I don’t think the secret wars that. Doctor Doom is in is linked to the Tony Stark Doctor Doom. I think that’s the Victor Von Doom, so I’m I’m really concerned that maybe they’re taking some shortcuts just to throw some extra fan service. You know, every movie is going to have
There’s going to be some fan service and that’s fine, but you don’t need to take the main bad guy as far as I’m concerned. He’s one of the top five for sure in all of Marvel and put him back to an actor who already did most of the successful Marvel movies thus far.
Cinik (07:38)
Well, let me ask you both a question, okay? Are they gonna go super cringe with it and when Secret Wars pops up, is Tony Stark going to be, is good Tony Stark going to be fighting bad Victor Von Doom Tony Stark?
Ryan (07:51)
I hope not, but you never know. But I guess that’s the next question is, know, which again, interesting because Deadpool seems to be ironically anti -multiverse in a lot of ways as far as like kind of some of the underlying themes in it. it, you know, does it feel like Marvel is panicking a little bit? you know, instead, like the next big news was that the other big news is that the Rosso brothers are going to come back to direct the next two Avengers movies, one of which
Ig (07:51)
No, I don’t think
Ryan (08:20)
will feature Robert Downey Jr.’ Dr. Doom, and then the other one will be Secret Wars. And so it’s like, okay, we’re going back to the Russo brothers who’ve been great. They’ve directed some great movies, but going back to the wall with the Russo brothers, we’re bringing back Robert Downey Jr. You even got Wolverine, it’s probably gonna be in the MCU. It seems like they’re grabbing at straws and bringing all these things back that we enjoyed and loved. Instead of trying to chart a new path, do you think?
Ig (08:37)
Jilly’s 90.
Cinik (08:38)
To least 90.
Ryan (08:50)
that’s the wise move or is it time when we have, when we’re bringing in the X -Men and Fantastic Four to give us something new and something
Cinik (08:57)
Well, I just don’t think the multiverse landed like they wanted to. The Jonathan Majors things didn’t help. But I don’t I kind of if we go back to when this stuff was announced, I kind of spoke on the fact that I didn’t think this was going to work, that it’s just it’s too much for the the common person to pick up. they’re like they sit down in a movie and they’re they’re wondering why the hell Tony Stark is now Dr. Doom. If you don’t follow the news like, you know, geeks like us do.
So I just thought it was a little much and that’s what it’s turning out to be. Are they panicking? Yeah, I think they’re panicking a little bit, but I personally, even if things were going great, based off of what the Russo brothers have done with the Captain America movies and then the Avenger movies, I would want them to direct every big picture for Marvel going
Ryan (09:43)
Yeah. And you know, we’ll say the issue with the multiverse is I think we all got excited about all the interesting combinations and what they could do with it. But it’s become just such a massive opening for fan service that it takes away from a lot of the storytelling. And so that’s the problem is like, at this point, I’m like, all right, I’m good. I don’t need more fan service. I just just give us some interesting stories. And maybe that’s the point where they’re panicking a little bit
Cinik (10:08)
I love that you’re saying that, but then we’re all going to give glowing reviews about a movie that was pretty much 99 % fan service.
Ryan (10:11)
Yeah, probably. We’re gonna. Exactly. exactly. Absolutely. Totally.
Ig (10:16)
Well, there’s a difference though. When you’re doing fan service and you’re like absolutely like doing it for the reason like when you’re putting it in there and it’s like a little tidbit and it’s like, ooh, look, we gave you a little something. you know, the latest movie is like, it’s glorious fan service. It’s right there in front of your face. Like we’re gonna hit you with so much that like it’s just the movie, you know? It’s so, you know, cause Marvel has this thing of we’re gonna give you just this little snippet somewhere of something.
just to make people go, giddy. And Deadpool, like it’s always been like they do something in there that it’s so big that it’s like, that’s just, it’s Deadpool.
Ryan (10:55)
Yeah, and strangely, didn’t, getting into that review, it didn’t feel as shoehorned as I think a lot of the other properties when they do the fan service -y stuff, it feels shoehorned in. Like it didn’t really need to be there, but they’re doing it to get the fans, you know, excited. And, but yeah, let’s get, yeah, we’ll get to it, we’ll get to it. All right, so the only other big story that really came out of Comic -Con was there’s, so there’s gonna be a boy spinoff, another spinoff, this time featuring Soldier Boy.
Cinik (11:09)
Yeah, let’s get to that with the review
Ig (11:20)
Another.
Ryan (11:22)
And yeah, we’re get so many boys. The boys is going to be like Game of Thrones where we’re just gonna get spin off, have to spin off, you know, for, for ever.
Ig (11:28)
Well, aren’t there already two? Because there’s an animated one and the one about the school.
Ryan (11:31)
Yeah, you’re right. Yes. This is the third one.
Cinik (11:33)
I actually just started watching the one about the school and it’s not half bad.
Ryan (11:36)
It’s good. It’s really
Ig (11:36)
Yeah, it’s pretty decent. watched it two two weeks ago, I
Ryan (11:40)
You’re the, the kid, the guy that was like the magneto like character died in a motorcycle accident. A few years, a few months
Cinik (11:47)
the, best friend, the, the, the kid that became number one. Wow. Yeah, that sucks. So they’re have to switch that
Ig (11:47)
wow.
Ryan (11:49)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, apparently they had to rewrite the entire script to account for that for first season too. But, but so yeah, Stormfront and Soldier Boy. Cynic, what do think? you excited about a Stormfront Soldier Boy series?
Cinik (12:08)
I mean, I’m not the big, I wasn’t the biggest soldier boy fan, but I do like me some Stormfront. She was a interesting, controversial character, know, not bad looking. And, you know, other than her political views, I thought she was okay.
Ryan (12:23)
Yeah, how about you, Egg?
Ig (12:25)
you know, I think I got my share of the guy playing soldier boy with the 48 seasons of supernatural. And, know, especially because like my oldest was like infatuated with that show. So everything was always like, my God, he’s here. He’s so well. my God. I’ve had enough. And soldier boy, I think the character itself in the series was a little. Off a little odd compared to the rest of the stuff, because I mean, one, he was
Ryan (12:31)
Yeah.
Ig (12:53)
so fucking powerful. He could do so many things. You know, it’s the Superman problem as far as I’m concerned when you’re that strong, like what is there that is actually a problem for you? And it’s just, I think that it could be good. I will watch it anyway, cause I’ve liked all this stuff with the boys. Like I’ve watched the animated stuff. I’ve watched the other live action stuff. I’ve watched all of the seasons of the boys so far,
Ryan (13:02)
Yeah.
Ig (13:18)
I don’t have a lot of hope for it, which might make it better for me when I go in to watch it, because it might be better than I anticipate.
Ryan (13:22)
Yeah. Yeah, I think we get that a lot of times where the thing, the thing is you’re not interested in actually becomes really good. I, issue I have with it, you know, I think they didn’t make either of them like their backstories aren’t compelling enough for me to really want to know much about them. Like if there was a Homelander, you know, origin show, I’d actually be interested because they’ve done so much, they’ve laid so much groundwork for
the trauma that Homelander has gone through. And even though he’s evil and he is horrible, it would be so I’d be interested to see, you know, how he became the character we see where I, we didn’t get that enough from Stormfront or Soldier Boy for me to really be interested in knowing it. And it’s like, what about a show about two despicable people is going to be, it should be interesting for me. So I think that’s going to be the challenge I think for whoever’s writing that is how do you make them interesting?
in a way that people are actually gonna care about a show about them. Because if they’re leads, how are they protagonists on any level? So I think that’s gonna be the challenge. Yeah, I mean, it’s like, at least with the Homelander, we know that he’s had enough, he’s gone through enough trauma that we can watch a show and empathize with him to understand how he became the monster he is. And maybe that’s what they’re gonna do with them, I don’t know. But I don’t have enough from them for me to really be excited about that
Cinik (14:25)
Yeah, it’s a story completely lacking protagonists.
Ryan (14:46)
We’ll see. But, but yeah, it’s the boys. I’ll watch it, you know, cause I’ll watch, you know. Yeah. All right. So the only other new, well, the only other new, the, the, the biggest story, which I just think like, you know, not, it won’t get super political as we try to avoid as much as we can. but it’s been such an insane month, politically that it’s like, you couldn’t write this stuff. And it’s kind like, we haven’t recorded a lot in the last couple of weeks, but it’s like, you had one week, there was the, you know, there’s the, the debate.
Ig (14:49)
Yeah, I get it. I’m right there with
Ryan (15:16)
And Biden looks terrible in the debate. And all of a sudden Trump’s got a bunch of momentum. are, know, he, know, comparatively seem more coherent and with it than, than Biden. And it’s looking like a disaster and Trump’s got momentum. Then there’s an assassination attempt on, on his life, you know, on him where he narrowly avoids getting shot. you know, he’s inches away from not being around. and, and then there’s the RNC and he’s got all this momentum and then Biden drops out and Kamala Harris is in and all of a sudden.
The momentum has completely shifted and it’s just been a crazy few weeks politically. you’ve got the, you know, JD Vance who was who was his pick who all of a sudden seems like maybe he’s regretting that pick. you’ve got like this thing that like there was an assassination attempt and it’s not in the news. And I just think that it’s so weird to me. Like, you know, if you would have told me that somebody would have legitimately taken a shot at Trump and it would not be a big part of the news cycle two weeks later.
I would have said you’re crazy. And yet this is where we are right now. And I don’t know what it says, if it says something about the news cycle or the nature of, of what’s going on and just how rapid things are changing. but what do you, what do
Ig (16:24)
Yeah, well, that’s exactly what it is, is that so much has happened in this presidential race since then, everything that is relative to what’s happening. And I think part of it might be, and I’m a little conspiracy theorist about this, maybe it wasn’t as much getting hit by a bullet as Trump would like us all to believe. Maybe. I’m just saying.
We haven’t gotten pictures. haven’t gotten doctors reports. If I got shot and I was in that position, I’d be showing everybody pictures. Everybody.
Ryan (16:55)
you
Cinik (16:56)
Well, and that’s the problem. think if I think if Trump got shot, he would be showing his wound in pictures as
Ryan (17:01)
mean, even so there was that like, you know, it’s like, you know, like, I’m not the biggest fan of his, but you have this iconic image of him bleeding, standing fist in the air. It’s like, it was such a, like, it’s like, you couldn’t have scripted that. And if you did, would have said, you’re, you you’re crazy. yeah. Yeah.
Cinik (17:16)
Yeah, I did come across a meme where it said campaign ideas. It was like, we shoot your ear off. And that made me laugh hard. Well, I mean, I think we don’t hear a lot about it because it was a failed, extremely failed, like he couldn’t have failed anymore if he didn’t get the shot off assassination attempt on a former president. And I don’t think he got the momentum from it because you can’t whip up his base any more than they are already. Like his base is
Ig (17:16)
but they might’ve scripted
Cinik (17:46)
12 o ‘clock all the fucking time like you’re not gonna get them more like there’s not a Trump voter or fan out there that wasn’t gonna vote for him to begin with Now did he gain the sympathy of the independents or maybe some of the left? No He absolutely didn’t because he turned around and he politicized it as much as he could at the RNC as quickly as
Ryan (18:05)
Yeah. Yeah. So I think, think that’s that’s a fair point. I think there’s two, two parts. One is you’re right. Like, I think there was a bit of that sympathy, element to it in the immediate aftermath. You have the sympathy in the icon iconography, right? You have this image of him, you know, again, say what you will about him, but it’s a brave moment to having been shot at and stand up and raise your fist. Obviously, I think, you know, we don’t, I think sometimes I don’t know that he’s the sharpest guy in the world. I don’t think he’s the smartest person in the world, but I think he’s sharp.
when it comes to optics, in some, you know, in some instances. And I think he, he made that calculation, right? Rightfully that like, Hey, this is going to look really good. I need this. And, and, and, and in a sense, like if I knew people were shooting at me, I don’t think I would have set up, you know, I would have made sure that my head was ducked and I was surrounded by my secret service. Cause I don’t know who else is around taking shots at me. so, so it was an interesting moment. And, so, but, but yeah, I think the, you know, the issue is that he did
run with the, the kind of sympathy, let’s bring people together, let’s unity. And then also like at the end of the day, the shooter seems to be either a, you know, he’s registered Republican. know there was some questions of whether he, he donated to a democratic back. Like, yeah. And even if he did, right, like he’s white loner kid fits the, fits the description, unfortunately of like what, what you would expect for like a mass shooter. And so that kind of kills the narrative, the media narrative.
Cinik (19:14)
Yeah, he didn’t do that. That was some some 80 year old guy in Pittsburgh. Same
Ryan (19:30)
So there’s not much, and there was really nothing else. There’s no conspiracy. are no other people involved. So I guess, know, there’s, I’m still shocked that it’s not a bigger, they’re not making a bigger deal of it, but at the same time, it’s like, how much of a bigger deal can you make of it? There was nothing, there’s no there there. Yeah. Yes. yeah. Yeah. That’s true. And you’re right. Like I think by Biden stopping out, it just killed everything because then the new story became about Kamala and
Ig (19:43)
think it might be a lot bigger deal still if Biden had stayed in the race.
Ryan (19:56)
and Biden stepping out and, and they’re, you know, pivoting. And then all of sudden, if you’re on the Republican side, it’s like, crap, we got to pivot completely to, you know, somebody who is a 180 degree, like, you know, difference from who we were running against. And so, you know, there’s no time to try to, you know, push the, he got shot narrative because like at the end of the day, like there’s nothing there and then we got to deal with this new, you know, attack. so yeah, it’s, it’s been an interesting news cycle.
Ig (20:20)
Well, then everything has been, how do we beat up on Biden? Because you don’t necessarily have to worry so much about the running mate. Like that’s an important job, vice president. But most people like whoever’s vice president is vice president unless it’s something absolutely terrible, which Trump is running into a problem with that as well. His vice presidential pick is, is costing him some points right now. The problem is if he drops him now, that’s a huge weak showing on the RNC and it would
Ryan (20:27)
Yeah.
Cinik (20:37)
Mm -hmm.
Ig (20:49)
I think that would cost him the election like right. He may as well just drop out himself and give his spot to Kennedy.
Ryan (20:54)
Yeah.
Cinik (20:55)
Well, honestly, it depends on who he grabs. didn’t love Vance to begin with. I figured it was a move to capture Ohio because they needed Ohio. They lost it last time and that cost them the election. I didn’t see what he brought that Trump wasn’t already doing. He was kind of like Trump light in this newest iteration of who JD Vance
Ig (21:18)
I’ll tell you exactly what he brought. He brought that he’ll do what Trump tells him to do, where Pence stood
Ryan (21:21)
Yeah, I think you’re 100 % right. I think that’s the one thing it’s like, he’s a lapdog and like, but I think it was a bad, you know, in a situation where you’re trying to win independence and win women back to your cause after, you’ve been, you know, kind of, you know, like the big thing that Democrats can be pushing rightfully is, getting, you know, Trump being responsible for a row being, you know, shot down. And so you would
you know, go, I would think they’re, you know, going with the Nikki Haley or somebody. yeah, like that, that just made the sensible choice. I, I’m sure her politics are not that far behind from, but at least have somebody who can’t speak to women. and not someone who’s going to, you know, cause, you know, who, who Vance has a lot of baggage and so. Yeah, exactly. So, so it’s like there, it was just such a, it’s a weird choice and it’s not going over well. and yeah, it’ll be interesting to see if he dropped. I mean, but again, it’s
Cinik (21:53)
Haley would have been the best choice. Absolutely would have been the best choice.
Ig (22:05)
Who calls childless women less of production?
Ryan (22:17)
with this insane news cycle, like, who knows? You may well not be the candidate in a couple days. Yeah.
Ig (22:26)
Well, and we have months left until the election. can’t imagine. Like, it’s just been crazy. Like, what else are they going to throw at us? I mean, we still have to wait and see who the Democrats put up as the vice president. They’re talking about it might be my governor. I’m like, please don’t pick my governor because what do you gain from walls? He’s great for the people of Sputnikswell. He’s a good governor, but they’re going to win Minnesota anyway. What do you get from walls?
Ryan (22:30)
Yeah. What’s yeah, what’s gonna happen? Yeah, we don’t know who the vice presidential, you know,
Yeah
Cinik (22:50)
I honestly, I think they’re really gonna roll the dice and it’s gonna be a booted itch.
Ryan (22:55)
I would have said no. And then I heard him in an interview with Fox news today and I was like, you know what? he, you know, I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s a tough ass, right? Like we were asking a lot of this country. Okay. You’re to vote for a black woman and, and an openly gay man. Like that is a big ask, but, I mean, you would have two, two just pit bulls in debates and, and, on, on, you know, that, that can speak to anything. So, kind of articulately and coherently. I mean,
Cinik (22:58)
Yep, me too. Same thing.
Ig (23:07)
and an openly gay man.
Ryan (23:22)
When I heard that interview, I’m like, you know what? I might say he might be the guy because he’s just so, so good.
Cinik (23:26)
Yeah, if he can openly go on Fox News and hold his own, that’s the guy. You don’t worry about the one state that they may bring, you worry about the fact that he could stand toe to toe with Vance in a
Ryan (23:30)
Yeah.
And I think we’re largely, even when it comes to like, will the country vote a black woman? At this point, if you’re not going to vote for her, you’re probably not voting for a Democrat, like really, right? It’s probably not gonna happen. If you’re not gonna vote for a gay male at this stage, are you, I don’t know, it’s like, probably not. So.
Ig (23:54)
You’re not voting Democrat anyway. If you’re not gonna do it because she’s a black
Cinik (24:05)
well, you’re not going to win the states that you weren’t going to win anyway. You’re not going to win the Alabama’s and Arkansas’s and you’re probably not going to win those. And that’s fine. You know, you’ll win enough in the blue states that should push you through the nice part about, I was worried about Harris because she had basically no, no shining moment as vice president. And she was kind of invisible for four years. But at the same time on the flip side of that, we don’t have a Benghazi situation where they can use anything that she’s done against
Ryan (24:08)
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Cinik (24:34)
You know, they can, she actually did good things with the border, believe it or not, that didn’t get reported. So her being kind of invisible these last three and a half years will probably work to her advantage in the long haul because people just wanted to throw their vote someplace where it’s safe. And right now she’s the best
Ryan (24:38)
Yeah. Yeah.
And it’s funny, weak, the weak, her weakest point, which I don’t think is necessarily weak with Republicans was what that she was a prosecutor and like, she’s a quote unquote cop. Like that might’ve worked against her four years ago, but we’re kind of in a different place now. so I don’t, that’s not really gonna work. And you know, you can’t calling her a cop is not going to, you know, affect people voting for her in any large scale. Yeah, exactly.
Ig (25:09)
That might just get our more Republican votes.
Cinik (25:12)
Well, and she was, you know, she was running against Biden who didn’t have a host of felonies, you know, on his resume.
Ryan (25:15)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. So it’s going to be going to make for an interesting, interesting, election season. but yeah, so I wanted to talk about the, it went a little bit longer than I, than I expected on that, but, but yeah, it’s, such a, it’s so weird and so interesting. And, it’s like now I I told myself for a while, like, I’m to wait until July to really get, you know, get into this because it can be so stressful and time consuming, but it’s, it’s like, this is like watching theater or something.
All right, so we got to, so we’re going to talk, we’ll talk about, the acolytes done, the boys is done and we watched Deadpool. So we’ll kind of do a little bit more extensive review of Deadpool. But I want to get your guys thoughts. So let’s start with the acolyte. So, what were your thoughts? How did you feel this season? I know we taught, we caught up kind of mid season. I think you were higher than than, than cynic and I, and I was definitely higher on it than cynic, but how did you think they, did they stick the landing for the season? Where’d you feel they?
went wrong, went right, and are you hopeful for season
Ig (26:18)
Well, I’m hopeful for season two. I’m hoping there’s going to be, because it’s Star Wars. And I always want more Star Wars. Even bad Star Wars, it’s kind of like even bad pizza is good pizza. Same kind of thing. Some people get really upset about the wrong things. And again, if the show runners would have kept their mouth shut and just let people watch the show, I don’t think they would have caught on to whatever this is the gayest Star Wars we’ve ever made. I don’t think anybody would have noticed it, because there wasn’t anything
heterosexual, homosexual, or other sexual in the show at all. I really liked, you know, Darth teeth or something. What is that? What you were calling him? I, you know, I loved his character. I loved the way he looked. I loved his action. I loved the cortosis helmet and bracers and stuff like that. And, you know, I loved his, his look on the dark side that I just want to be able to practice my power, how I see fit, you know, like you guys just leave me to be and everything will be cool.
Ryan (26:56)
Was he the stranger? Darth T. The stranger.
Cinik (27:16)
My dark side by choice.
Ig (27:18)
Yeah, exactly. mean, just the way it was acted, I think was was really well. I think that there was plenty of good performances in it. There was some lacking ones, but for the most part, it was it was decent. And it was it felt like Star Wars. It looked like Star Wars. did things like Star Wars. And I think there’s plenty of things to go to. Like they gave us a peek of somebody that looked like Darth Plagueis. I mean, that might be a curveball. They stuck somebody to sneak in out of a cave that looks like him, but maybe it’s
That would be something that would probably more upset me than anything else. I think the cameo at the end with like the back of Yoda’s head was completely unnecessary. That was just, that’s one of those instances where the fan services shoved at you like here have something, didn’t like it. I don’t think it served any purpose because they had kept the high council basically out of everything they were doing up until that point. If you want to involve the high council in some of the stuff that’s happening, involve them in the next season.
build to it where it just becomes such a big problem that now you have to talk to them. But this whole season, was nothing that led to like, got to go talk to Master Yoda. And why would any of the High Council be taking that information by themselves instead of doing it? Like summoning someone like they’re the master of the Master Jedis. They would be summoned among the council to have something go on, especially if they just had to go sit in front of the Senate council.
the Jedi Council is going to do something with that. But overall, I like the end. I don’t think they stuck the landing, but I don’t think they completely flubbed it either. I think it was decent. I think that they should get a second season. It’s one of the highest rated Star Wars shows. mean, not rated, highest watched Star Wars shows ever. So it’s one of those things where people are throwing a lot of stuff at it and saying it’s terrible, terrible, terrible. And I’m like, are you watching it just so you can say it’s terrible? Because
The numbers say it’s not that terrible. So I don’t know. I think the last episode for me, I’d probably be about a seven and a half, maybe an eight, depending on how I’m feeling that day. It’s not as good as the two before it. I think the two before it were the strongest episodes of the season and the finale was like a seven and a half or an eight. But it was well done. I enjoyed it. I thought it was fine.
Ryan (29:37)
How about how about you, Cynic?
Cinik (29:38)
I mean, it was Star Wars. So if they give us a season two, I want a complete season two of the backstory of the villain of season one. That would interest me. If we’re doing May and Osha, I mean, I’ll watch it, but I’m not gonna love it because I just don’t, I don’t particularly care about the characters. They had eight episodes to make me care about the characters and they just didn’t. I don’t know what you’re doing, but it looks great on camera.
I
The last episode was okay. There was points in the story where they could have really scored major points with me and they just didn’t. You know, they give us a wiki Jedi and we did nothing with them. You know, there was just points where they could have, know, Dart pedophile in the cave at the end probably was unnecessary. Yoda was unnecessary, but I guess you need to offer something to bring people back in case they do get a second season, which I kind of hope they don’t. I mean, if we’re going to, if Eiger is going to stick to
you we’re doing more with less. I don’t want that to be what they focus their energies on. Let’s grab a new story, go in a new direction. I don’t mind the high republic as a setting, even though, you know, I’m an original trilogy fan. And let’s do something else with our time and energy.
Ryan (31:00)
Yeah, I think, know, like we took the show, unfortunately, I don’t think it’s quite stuck the landing. I do think like, as you said, that the seven, six and seven or whatever those the middle two episodes, those two before the finale were, no, maybe it was four and five or no five and seven, whatever it was, were the two strongest episodes of the show. And unfortunately, I think that was, those two episodes happened where episode like two should have happened. And I think the other issue, yeah, the issue is that I think the focus was not.
where it should have been. think by far the most interesting character was Darth Tith and he was by far the most interesting, he was by far the coolest and the one I wanted to learn his backstory. He had a connection with one of the Jedi. There’s so much involved in that character that I wanted to know. so yeah, I’m with you, Sinic, where if we explore this, I want to know more about him. And obviously, because he is with Osha, we get more about Osha there. But I think that while I wasn’t as down on the Osha and May storyline as you were,
I do think he was the most interesting person there and their, relationship is interesting. So, you know, I just think the show maybe dropped the ball a little bit on, not focusing more on him. And then I, you know, I heard, I read some stuff that I don’t know how true or not it was, but that, that initially the initial idea was for this to be more Sith focused and that, that was changed. I don’t know if that was true or not, but yeah, definitely. Yeah. No, the other thing is like, you know, I was annoyed, like the dark play just, you know, it’s like at this point,
Cinik (32:18)
That would have been great. It’s unfortunate that it didn’t go that
Ryan (32:26)
you know, with Plagueis or with Yoda, like, why show us that? you know, like that’s, so it’s interesting because I think the show actually does a lot of very subtle fan servicey thing. There’s a lot of allusions to like Knights of the Old Republic. And a lot of things to other Star Wars properties that were just subtle enough that if you got it, you got it. And if you didn’t, didn’t. it didn’t matter. But like with the Yoda or with Darth Plagueis, it’s like, it’s right there. It’s like, you know, it’s like just, you know, in your face.
And it’s distracting. And if you get it, you get it. And it’s cool. But if you don’t like, you know, for a lot of people, like, why did, why did the camera just pan to this random guy who we’ve never seen and we will not see again? and so while it’s cool to have him.
Ig (33:04)
Well, I’m sure we’ll see him again, but like Plagueis is one of those things where I think that one, because there have been drawings, but like in no official Star Wars thing has he ever shown up. Have they ever shown him? And
Cinik (33:16)
I, one of the books I believe he’s on the cover. Yeah, that’s it. That, yes.
Ryan (33:18)
Yeah, it’s on the cover, yeah.
Ig (33:19)
Right, but that’s still like nothing live. No animation, no movie, no nothing. So it’s one of those things like there’s a deep, there’s a dark guy hiding in a cave. Okay, that one’s okay. The Yoda one was dirty.
Ryan (33:28)
Yeah, but I would
feel like that was just as bad because like I, you know, as a, the Yoda one, okay. It’s like, yeah, that’s pretty bad too. But at least like Yoda’s iconic, everybody knows who he is. So we know that character. We don’t need to see him. We just know, she’s meeting with Yoda. This is, you know, like shit got real with Plagueis. Like, like nobody knows, you know, and like, again, if you, unless, you know, you don’t know who this is and it was just thrown in there. I would have rather been him been alluded to or he actually like give us a scene with
but that’s just my opinion. Like, like, again, I got, I was excited when I saw it, but that’s also because I thought maybe we’d get a little bit more of him later on. so maybe, maybe it would be better if the stinger at the end was him and not Yoda, cause we don’t need Yoda. So I think just having it where it was placed was weird. but, but otherwise I thought the show got the action really good. Like I think, you know, got the action was some of the best that we’ve seen in any kind of star Wars property, especially recently. And I think, you know, some of the stuff they did with our teeth.
and his lightsabers and his fighting style was really interesting. It was really cool. so I think, you know, I definitely give it credit for that, but yeah, I feel like it was just, it was, it was all over the place. I would, again, I would like a season two, but I wanted to more Sith focused and, and yeah, like I’m cool with the higher public era. Just like give us. Yeah. Exactly.
Ig (34:49)
Well, they killed most of the main Jedi out of the season one, so it would have to like go on to the other side, I guess. I mean, there’d be some or some new things coming from the Jedi side, but most of the main Jedi characters, they’re they’re all dead. Just the one just the one Master Vanestra is the only one still
Ryan (34:57)
Exactly.
Yeah. Yeah. Which was kind of cool. Like it was, it was kind of cool that. Yeah.
Cinik (35:09)
Yeah, I mean, to be fair, there’s thousands of them, though. I mean, it’s not like a new hope where there’s two, you know. So there’s there’s another crop of Jedi from the
Ryan (35:19)
Yeah, but otherwise, know, it was fine. You know, wasn’t the best, wasn’t the worst, you know, Star Wars. I probably ranked this still ahead of Boba Fett minus the Mandalorian episodes of Boba Fett. otherwise, like, yeah, we’ll see. You know, I’m that the next, you know, that Andorra, which is Andorra next, that that’s, you know, stays.
Ig (35:37)
Isn’t it like some other property that’s like non Jedi related supposed to be next?
Cinik (35:38)
I think
Ryan (35:42)
Okay. that’s right. Okay. That’s right. Yes. Okay. Well, we’ll see. Yeah, could be good. Yeah. So yeah, so hopeful. It’s Star Wars again, stuff that, you know, there was a point where we never thought we’d get any of it. So yeah.
Cinik (35:42)
I think Skeleton Crew is coming, isn’t it?
Ig (35:46)
Jude Law, so that might be good.
And I like Dandor, so like they can do things that are non Jedi related and still be very interesting.
Ryan (35:59)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, so it should be fun. Yeah, exactly. So, so I’m excited. All right, so on to the boys. So again, not doing a full full season recap for the boys, but Cynic, what, how did you like this? Where did you rate this season compared to the other seasons?
Cinik (35:59)
Well, the next season of Endor is going to be great because we’re moving towards Rogue One. So that’ll be
I mean, the series as a whole has started to show its age for me. I didn’t feel as connected to the characters in the season as I did in the past. They made some questionable decisions with some of them. The Huey and Starlight relationship didn’t feel as fresh and new as it did in the past. It moved onto another phase that I didn’t quite understand. I mean, I thought, unfortunately for Starlight, some of her best moments
as the doppelganger or as the clone. I really enjoyed those small scenes that we got. If anything, that should have been the villain for the season because it was a lot more intriguing than anything that they had going on. I love Homelander, but the stuff with him and his son just didn’t land for me at all. I know what they’re building towards with it and you needed to do it for exposition, but I didn’t.
Ryan (36:53)
as the most range she’s thrown.
Cinik (37:17)
A lot of it didn’t speak to me as well as it did in the past seasons. That being said, I did enjoy the episodes. I would love to see the scale of nudity be more 50 -50 and not 80 -20 man ass because we’ve seen every single character now on the main cast, male, naked. Meanwhile, the females are somehow for some reason having sex with their clothes on. So I would like to see that change a little bit.
Ig (37:45)
You’re such a such a bad person. Like, listen, every show in the world has shown female nudity all over the place. Like, isn’t it time they went the other direction? I know. Of course I do.
Ryan (37:53)
Yeah.
Cinik (37:55)
I know you personally enjoy it. However, you know, I could have went my whole life without seeing a guy eat his own ass several times over. Yeah. I mean, to me, it was just unnecessary. It was giving me heavy modern day Howard Stern vibes because that’s exactly the way he went to where he started out where he was all about the shocking nudity. And now it’s all about trying to get his male staff members to blow each other for shock value. So
Ig (38:03)
Well, seven times over, yeah.
Ryan (38:23)
Which did happen with H or almost happened with a train and deep hilariously
Cinik (38:28)
Yes, it really did. So maybe the creators of the boys are Howard Stern fans.
Ryan (38:33)
Yeah. what’s up? How about you? Do you think it ranks with the with other seasons?
Ig (38:36)
You know, I think the thing I liked most about this season were the new members of the seven, right? You you get Sister Sage and what is it? Firecracker, is that her name?
Cinik (38:46)
Yeah, I mean, think those two characters saved the season. I really did.
Ig (38:48)
Yeah, I think they were the best part of this season. And the funniest thing that happened this season is when Sister Sage got shot in the head and then acted like a toddler for like, you know, just the most important meeting that they could have had.
Cinik (39:03)
I would have liked a little more Tech Night too, just to see what they would have done with the character outside the perverted dungeon. I would have liked to see a little bit more of that too, but…
Ig (39:13)
But I like that, but this season as compared to others, I think is leading towards where the eventual end is going to come. And I think they needed to set up so many things specifically to get there that I think this season was weaker than the others. Although I think still my favorite season is probably two, maybe three, but probably two. Season two is probably the best one as far as I’m concerned. But it’s still watchable. It’s still enjoyable. It’s still a lot of fun, lot of interesting things going on.
I mean, I guess sitting here with my almost fully gray beard at this point, I can feel myself thinking like Homelander. It’s like, there’s another one, there’s another one. Then all of sudden they’re all gray. It’s like, well, it sucks getting old, doesn’t it, Homelander?
Cinik (39:58)
Now let me ask you guys this, did they miss out on not having Jeffrey D. Morgan interact with other cast members with the way he was written?
Ryan (40:09)
I didn’t even think about that. I, I don’t think so. You know, I like, I, know, he’s great. but I never felt like I needed him to interact with anyone else. kind of liked that dynamic. Yeah. Well, no, me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. But I like that dynamic.
Ig (40:20)
video is a hallucination so how are going to have them interact with other people?
Cinik (40:23)
Well, the way he’s written, if they didn’t write him as a hallucination but an actual character, he could have had moments with the rest of the cast. To me, he’s one of the more engaging actors that have come along in long
Ryan (40:34)
you know, that he’s the evil, you know, the evil, you know, he’s the devil on the shoulder. And I kind of liked that. Yeah. Yeah. So, think, given that, like, I don’t think we’re missing out at all with that. think I like, I like what they did with them.
Cinik (40:38)
he was perfect for what they did with him, for
Ig (40:46)
and butchers new superpowers like, you know, straight out of some Japanese manga and everything. And I think that’s pretty creepy.
Ryan (40:49)
crazy.
Yeah,
So, okay, so you mentioned that there’s a lot of new characters this season. Cynic, who’s your favorite new cast member or new character?
Cinik (40:59)
Sister Sage, without a doubt. Jeffrey Dean Morgan’s character, was it Joe? Yeah, I think it was Joe. All the greats are named Joe. Jeffrey Dean, what’s
Ryan (41:05)
Yup. Monkey, I think. Was it a monkey or something like that? his nickname was monkey or something?
Cinik (41:13)
I don’t know. I might have missed that. Yeah, those two characters are the best. Firecracker, was that her name? She was pretty interesting, you know, because she had the Marjorie Taylor Greene vibes going on with her. So yeah, probably Sister Sage. I enjoyed the character a lot and I think you could do a lot more with
Ryan (41:14)
Yeah.
Ig (41:23)
Yeah,
Ryan (41:35)
Yeah. Now, dude, speaking of Sixth of Sage, do you think that she, they did a good job showcasing her intelligence? Like, did that, like how, how everything came together? Did that seem like this master plan or did it seem like a little convoluted? Just as far as how the character’s written.
Cinik (41:48)
Well, it didn’t seem as much like a master plan as she wanted to play it off, but it did work out in their favor in the end. you know, that’s always the best part is that you can always take credit when things work out in your
Ryan (41:54)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I do think, you know, I, I wish I’d gotten that, you like if you, I’ve read like all the Sherlock Holmes novels when I was younger, like I love reading, you know, love those books. And like, there was always the moment of like, when he revealed how he figured it out, where you were like, wow, he’s so smart. And I didn’t quite get that. It felt like it was a lot of, a lot of things that, you know, she assumed was going to happen and they all did happen, but it never felt like, wow, she’s so clever. There were moments, but not maybe not as much as she, she meant for it to be.
How about you, Ig? Who’s your favorite new character this season?
Ig (42:34)
Probably firecracker. just cause I You know, I I find myself sitting watching a lot of Marjorie Taylor Greene and and that lady from Colorado Lauren Bulbert just watching their videos because I’m like somebody lets you come out in public and talk like and they put a camera in your face then they in the seek that but then I watch it so it’s worth ratings because like it’s like my god, you are So crazy that the things coming out of your mouth shouldn’t
come out of anybody’s mouth, but it does. And then you start seeing like other things and it does. And firecracker was emulating that perfectly. And I know that they’re writing it to be that. And it worked, you know, because it was one of those things, you know, she was all the conspiracy theories and everything. And I’m like, and as far as I could tell her only superpower, she could make little like snaps with her fingers and stuff. like, is that really?
seven worthy? like, you know, that, that real acrobatic blind kid that was able to see and smell and do all kinds of different things, you know, but like Homelander wasn’t having any of that, but you know, somebody that can like talk about a lot of conspiracy theories and make little snaps with their fingers that have a little puff of smoke. That’s worth the seven.
Ryan (43:38)
The Daredevil.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was, I, I’d say those are two big good choices. love, I love sister stage and, and the performance I think was great. But, I also loved, the, the new black noir. Yeah. I think that was hilarious and great. Like the guy’s an actor who’s trying to get into character and he can’t stop talking and his relationship with, you know, the kind of bromance he has with, the deep, you know, I really, I love that character. I think they did a great job with, with him.
Cinik (44:03)
Yeah,
Yeah, they did the deep dirty in that Gen V where it was like first in their class, first in the class. They show him it’s like sixth in his class. It’s like,
Ryan (44:26)
Yeah, no, it was good. but yeah, no, I think, you know, like I’m right there with you guys. I think it was a good season. the show is definitely showing its age little bit. You know, I, know, obviously like I’m, I, I agree with the show’s politics, but I felt like a little, you know, it’s a little on the nose. Some of it, you know, I get it, but like, it was like, there was no subtlety, right? It was like, it was hitting you in the head with like what it, politics were, which is totally fine. But you know, I don’t want it ever to take me out of it. so I kind of like it a little bit more subtle.
I do think it is the Homelander show, right? And it has become the Homelander show. Like the boys don’t really, you know, they, they really don’t matter all that much. you know, this season it’s really about Homelander and his relationship with this kid and his descent into madness and, and the kind of megalomaniac that he’s become. So I, know, I, and I like that, but, I do think that what works about this season is it is like, it’s basically a transition to, right, we’re, we’re about to, you know, we’re, aiming for the runway at this point.
Even though, you know, it feels maybe not quite that it’s overstated it’s welcome, but it’s getting there. think the season’s also like, all right, we’re heading for an end game. And so I think it does a good job of setting everything up and then it ends bleak. you know, we, we, you know, we’re everybody’s at their worst point, right? Everybody’s been captured. you know, Homelanders effectively running the country. So I’m excited to see where this goes. And, know, I kind of hope that the payoff isn’t just
Homelander versus Ryan, but they actually come up with something, clever way to defeat Homelander.
Ig (45:56)
Well, they’re going to have the butcher do it with the tentacle monster coming out of his chest.
Ryan (45:59)
Yeah, I kind of don’t want that either. Like, I don’t know, maybe, I don’t know. It’s interesting. Cause what’s nice is like they’re definitely, they definitely can’t do what they did in the comics. so it’ll, I’m curious to see where they’re going to, how they’re going to make this work. yeah, so I’m excited for the next season. And again, and like, if Anthony star does not at least get nominated for an Emmy, I’m going to be pissed because he’s, he’s, he’s doing everything this season. yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Cinik (46:23)
Yeah, he’s been fantastic this year. definitely deserves consideration.
Ryan (46:28)
All right. So let’s get to our, our main review. So we’re going to talk about a little bit about Deadpool and Wolverine. So I’ll a quick, quick recap. We’re going to, not going to talk. So what I’ll do is I’ll give a quick recap or kind of quick, quick intro to the movie. I’ll ask you guys your overall thoughts without spoilers, and then we’re to go deep into spoilers and talk about everything. So basically Deadpool Wolverine this time follows Wade Wilson, who’s now retired from mercenary life and working as a used car salesman after his breakup with Vanessa.
His life is interrupted when the TVA captures him and reveals that his timeline is deteriorating due to the death of Logan, who is a timeline anchor, which I believe this idea has been introduced, this that basically if the anchor dies, it could destroy your timeline. And basically he has to figure out a way to save his timeline and save his friends. And at this point, I can’t say anything else because I will basically any, any other thing will spoil the entire movie. So,
Obviously we need to say hi Jinx and Sue, we get a ton of fan service and some cameos. So, Cynic, overall thoughts on the movie before we get into spoilers.
Cinik (47:33)
I thought the movie itself was a perfect love letter to the Fox cinematic universe. They really did a good job capturing some of the former characters and the feeling around them. I enjoyed the fuck out of Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman finally on screen together. They’ve been teasing it for a long time. Overall, the action was great. The story was fun. And the comedy.
just landed from the word go. So yeah, the movie did what it would as advertised.
Ryan (48:08)
All right, how about you,
Ig (48:10)
I think it was really well done, you know, and it was one of those things
At the end of Logan, everybody was kind of like anticipating that that’s the end of at least any Hugh Jackman Wolverine, right? Because the way his interviews were going at the time, he was like, you know, it’s a lot of work to be Wolverine, right? Because he’s got to bulk up and put on a bunch of muscle and he has to go on a real strict diet and like he’s getting older and he’d rather do some other things. So we were all like, you know, who are they going to get to replace him? Like, you know, he’s been so iconic because he’d been doing it for so
And just that’s everybody’s Wolverine. He did such a great job with it that like you almost can’t think of another person doing it. Putting him on there with Deadpool, who I think universally anybody that likes Marvel stuff loves Deadpool movies. Like I haven’t talked to anybody that’s a Marvel fan that thinks Deadpool’s OK, or I don’t like it or anything, because everybody gets what he’s there for, what he does. And they always have
good action and funny things going on. it’s usually interlaced in such a way that it is just a real entertaining popcorn superhero movie for a good two plus hours. So I think they did a good job. I think they put the right mix of things together. I think they had the right feeling notes, both funny, happy, joyous, sad, everything all together. I think they found a right way to make those things all work when they needed to
So kudos to them for putting together a good property.
Ryan (49:45)
Yeah, no, so I agree with you guys. it was a, I had a blast. It was fun. It was definitely the, it was the most fan servicey movie in the world. And also like, I mean, it was so meant for us, you know, cause it’s not just meant, you know, it’s like, yes, it’s meant for comic fans. Yes, it’s meant for fans of the MCU, but it’s also meant for the people who like read every single article and know every single this person’s rumored to be that person. And this movie was going to happen and then it’s not going to happen. You know, this character is getting devoured. Like there was so many references.
be it to movies in other universes, to gossip, to real life things that are happening. It so breaks the fourth wall in more ways. And that’s saying a lot for Deadpool because it does so much anyway, that it was just insane, the amount of references and the amount of things that it does. But it somehow is able to do it with still having a cohesive story and a movie that actually makes sense. And in a weird way,
It is about its own self referentialness and the multiverse. So yeah, so I really enjoyed it. Now at this point, if you’re listening and you haven’t watched it and you are afraid of spoilers, you may want to pause this because we’re going to just, we’re going to dive into it. Yeah. But if you don’t, if you haven’t seen it, a lot is going to get spoiled very quickly. So I would, I would recommend going and see it as quickly as possible if the whole thing hasn’t been spoiled.
Ig (50:57)
pause, go away, come back in a week, go watch the movie.
Ryan (51:08)
anyway, as we do with, with movie reviews, so we’re going to go through five categories. We’ll talk about story performances, audio visual, logic consistency and the fields. we’ll get into each of those, kind of categories. So first up, let’s talk about the story. So. Cynic in a lot of ways, I think I felt like I saw the story working as like a takedown of the multiverse idea that, you know, it’s like, it’s too much and Deadpool references it constantly how, you know, it’s kind of cheap and lazy.
And do you feel like overall the story worked even within this world of like constant cameos, constant references, fan service, and dealing with the multiverse? think it still was able to tell a coherent story?
Cinik (51:51)
Yeah, think the story was slow at points, but yeah, I think they kind of nailed the story that needed to be told. And I think they’re setting up for a lot more. You know, that joke till you’re 90, I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, you know, and I think he really wants to be a part of the whole Avengers movies coming up. think that’s probably the lore that got him back into the van was not candy or puppies, but the fact that we’ve
Ryan (52:06)
Yeah.
Cinik (52:21)
You know the do movie and and secret war is coming up and I think he wants to play in the big sandbox as well as Ryan Reynolds
Ig (52:29)
and they are big money. So the paycheck he’s looking to pull out of those are, it’s significant.
Cinik (52:31)
Yes.
Ryan (52:31)
So
So between The Flash, The Multiverse of Madness, Spider -Man, No Way Home, we’ve had a lot of very fan -servicey multiverse movies. So I personally was generally underwhelmed by each of them. Like had these high expectations and I don’t know that any really worked. What were your thoughts on the big, and we’ll talk when we get to characters so you don’t need a reference or we won’t go deep into who it was. But did you think that the fan service worked in this or was it too much? Was it not enough? What were your thoughts on
Ig (53:05)
I think mostly in this one, worked very, very well. Especially like some of the things Sinek was talking about, Joe was saying. Like, you know, like making sure that like paying homage to Fox. And they did enough things that like that was important and why they put some of those people in there. And I think they did a good job. And the roles weren’t so blink and you’ll miss it that it wasn’t like some other cameos that they’ve done in.
previous Deadpool movies, but it wasn’t so overplayed that they became such a major part that like it took away from what’s really supposed to be happening. I would say as far as multiverse type movies with things like that going on, would be ranked number two for me. No Way Home is still, I think they did it best with the way they did this stuff there with the different villains from all the different universes and the extra Spider -Man and stuff. think that
That was really well done and not overplayed for the most part, but this was not far behind. So I would put this
Cinik (54:12)
I want to piggyback on what you’re saying, Eric. We’ve talked ad nauseum about how I was kind of disgusted with they did with the Multiverse of Madness and how they kind of mistreated these characters that everybody wanted to see. I think they did such a good job with these characters, introducing them and utilizing them, that I think we’re going to see them again. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of any of those characters. We didn’t see them die on screen.
And one of them even made it to the end of the end party or the celebration at the end. I have a feeling that they pop back
Ryan (54:45)
Yeah. And also, so the, one question on the story. So the story is fairly light, but it’s straightforward, right? Like, like Deadpool learns that the Wolverines that his, his universe is going to die and he needs to find an anchor being or an anchor Wolverine. he searches a multiverse. He meets a bunch of different Wolverines. He finds the worst Wolverine and, and you know, then they’re stuck in the what’s the name of the zone? The void. They have to escape the void. And then they let Cassandra Nova.
Cinik (55:09)
the void.
Ig (55:10)
void.
Ryan (55:14)
who now wants to decide she wants to destroy all multiverses, you know, out. And so is that a little too similar to like what we’ve seen with Loki with kind of the destruction of these multiverses or were you okay with
Cinik (55:27)
I mean, everybody, you’re either pro or con when it comes to the multiverse. There’s only so much you can do with it. You either, you you want it to continue or you want it to end. So yeah, it being similar to Loki, yeah, but I think that it was done differently enough that it was, it didn’t take away from the way the story was told, or I didn’t feel like we were watching a repeat of season
Ryan (55:32)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. All right. So let’s get, so let’s to performances. Obviously this movie, think hinges on the relationship between Deadpool and Wolverine. So Sinek, did you feel between the, just starting with those two. Did it work for you? Were they both as good as you, you always expect? Was it too much quippy, know, quipping from Ryan, from Ryan Reynolds? What were your thoughts on
Cinik (56:11)
Well, that’s what the character is as a whole. If you don’t like it, then you’re not going to like a Deadpool movie. As far as their chemistry on screen together, yeah, it absolutely landed in 100 percent. It may even went over what I expected from the two of them to do. I had for the first time in a long time, I sat down in a Marvel movie, even though I feel like it was still a Fox movie. And I enjoyed myself like from the the the opening scroll to the the sitting through the obnoxiously long credits for
Ryan (56:14)
Yeah.
Cinik (56:40)
For 10 seconds of dialogue, I really enjoyed
Ryan (56:43)
How about you?
Ig (56:45)
it was it was really well done. Like they have chemistry, right. And it’s a natural chemistry. And I think it’s developed over time because don’t they go back and forth on Twitter about things all the time, like making fun of each other and poking jokes. So like it’s a real friendship and
Ryan (56:55)
Yeah.
It’s gotta be real for him to in the movie make fun of his divorce.
Ig (57:03)
Yeah, and not get like and it let it stay in the movie. Yeah, that they had they got to be friends if you let them do that. So, you know, and I think that plays volumes to how they were able to portray everything on screen because they were able to hit notes and get places and show anger, frustration, joy, happiness, laughter, like everything as much as they wanted. Any time they wanted because they knew each other well enough to be able to play off of each
So I think as far as like people in the movie and their presentation and especially the chemistry between those two specifically, I think they couldn’t have done a better
Ryan (57:45)
Yeah, no, agree. Yeah, I think they had, they were great together. And it’s like, I saw some complaints about Ryan Reynolds, but yeah, it’s like, that’s what you’re gonna get with him. And he’s great. And it’s funny, and he’s got great timing, and it works. So there’s a million and one cameos in this movie. I’m gonna say, I’m gonna break it into two categories. Give me your favorite cameo of a person who actually has.
a decent amount of screen time and is in the movie and plays some role. And then I want you to me just your favorite, like random person. It could be, and it could be one of the ones where we didn’t even know until after the fact who it was, but, cynic, give me your favorite cameo with somebody with some screen time and then your favorite, random person who may or may not have been there for a few
Cinik (58:30)
Wesley Snipes’ Blade. I absolutely loved it. It’s my understanding that they didn’t particularly love each other when he was in a Blade movie and they’ve kind of buried, yes, and they buried the hatchet there. as far as, I wouldn’t say least favorite, but the one that left me wanting more was Chris Evans’ Johnny Storm.
Ryan (58:38)
Yeah. And they reference that too.
Yeah, you stole that one from me. How about you? about you?
Ig (58:54)
I think Daphne Keen is X23, I think was really cool. I loved it and I loved that she had still had the sunglasses that she stole from the convenience store that she put on when they were about to have the fight. Same sunglasses. If you go back and look at their same pattern, everything, they’re exactly the same. And then the one that like maybe you weren’t aware was Cowboy Pool, Matthew McConaughey.
Ryan (58:57)
Yeah.
Cinik (58:57)
That was great.
Ryan (59:05)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There, there were some, yeah, there was so many, I would say definitely, definitely Chris Evans, think was great because like, you know, we thought we’d never get Captain America and I don’t know why. I don’t know why I didn’t think right away. this is it’s Johnny storm. That was so, it’s so obvious. And I didn’t cause you’re so excited to see, it’s Captain America. And then when he says flame on, I mean, they, they, they, play that like perfectly.
Ig (59:19)
I thought that was
And we
Ryan (59:42)
and then I love the, Henry Cavill, Wolverine just because, there was the rumor of him being Wolverine. And then you see him and it’s like, wait, he seems a little bigger than like thicker than Hugh Jackman. Why? And then he turns around and say, I love that little like cameo. Yeah. It’s great.
Ig (59:56)
He even did the fist thing from the Mission Impossible thing when he put out his claws.
Cinik (1:00:02)
I still think that’s a possibility and I would love for it to happen. Like he’s the one guy out there that if we’re going to replace Hugh Jackman at any time, I would love for him to step into the role. Yeah.
Ryan (1:00:06)
Yeah, no, it’s
Yeah. Yeah. But there’s so, yeah. And I mean, there’s just, there were so many cameos like throughout this that it’s just, they’re all great. yeah.
Ig (1:00:13)
Well he showed he can do
Cinik (1:00:22)
Well, and we had so many villains that, you know, were on the scene, that there are big villains in like, you know, the Fox cinematic universe. we, you know, they were just on there for a second. was like there in Guantlini, Lady Deathstrike was there fighting people. And, you know, she’s kind of a big name character. Yeah, it was great. I mean, I’m going to have to go back and watch it a second and third time probably to catch it
Ryan (1:00:44)
Yeah. And I love the, love the, so let’s get, next thing we get to is audiovisual. So I’m bringing that up because with Cassandra Nova, I loved her powers because she just seemed so insanely powerful and like the way that she like literally just like with the flick of her hand, like pulls, you know, Johnny Storm skin off and how she could move people and things. was, was, I love the way that they used her powers and I love the way that they were able to defeat her.
But yeah, so what were you guys thoughts, Ig, what were your thoughts on just the visuals in the movie and then the action choreography you did it? I know some people I heard were not thrilled, were kind of underwhelmed by some of it, but what were your thoughts on
Ig (1:01:20)
I thought visually it was really well done and the action was as good as any superhero action I’ve seen. I can’t think of off the top of my head and again, I’ve only seen it once. I can’t think of any superhero movie that has had better fight scenes than these ones. Because even the fight inside the minivan was so well done and like so many things happening and so well shot.
Ryan (1:01:43)
Yeah, was great.
Ig (1:01:50)
that you could see everything that was happening in such a tight and closed space and everything that it was just really well done. And that’s probably the worst fight in the movie. The fights were so brutal and everything. were cutting off legs and everything. mean, even just the quick fight with Sabretooth, I cannot believe how quickly that ended. Because it’s like, the fans have been waiting for this. And it was like zip, done. Okay.
Ryan (1:01:59)
Yeah.
and creative.
Yeah. Yeah.
Or like the credit scene where he’s using the adamantium, you know, parts of Wolverine to fight. Like it was brilliant. What do you think? What were your thoughts on
Ig (1:02:20)
Yeah, just throwing fingers around and so it was.
Cinik (1:02:23)
Well, I accidentally saw it in 3D and I didn’t mean to. Luckily, the girl said something about grabbing the glasses as we walked in because we sat down. But that scenario in particular, that scene in particular works so well in 3D. Just the body parts flying at the screen. I’m not a big fan of 3D and I wouldn’t have done it on purpose, but I’m glad I got to see
Ryan (1:02:28)
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. And I think it really works. And even some of the music choices, you know, from, from even, was an in sync is like for the opening credit is great. no, but it was such a great choice. you know, the costumes, obviously seeing Wolverine in the, in the full, you know, the full yellow, yellow and blue look great. But we even got the, the, what the orange and brown or the yellow and brown. yeah, like that, we, got all that. So, so we just got some, we just got so many great,
Cinik (1:02:50)
that was fucking perfect. I’m not an NSYNC fan, but it made me an NSYNC fan in that moment. Yes.
Ig (1:03:04)
The brown and tan,
Ryan (1:03:11)
you know, references to the actual comics, again, to the Fox movies. So I think, you know, it looked great and yeah, they’re great, great musical choices throughout. So now with, with logic and consistency, obviously, you know, you’re grading this on a curve. Were there any time travel issues for you guys? Or did you guys feel like, you know, look, I was never taken out or any time travel issues or just any moments where you’re taken out of it to the extent that you can with a time travel movie with somebody who breaks a fourth wall, but, or did it for the most part, you
You were just, you’re in it and with it and along for the ride.
Cinik (1:03:46)
No, I can’t say that there was at any point where I kind of it broke the movie for me. You know, it definitely didn’t go in the directions that I thought it would, but it it did what it needed to do for sure that it was I felt like I got more than my money’s worth at the end of
Ryan (1:04:04)
yeah, yeah, how about you?
Ig (1:04:05)
Yeah, I think that it was doing right where it needed to do. And when you talk about things that take you out of it, like I was taken out exactly where they wanted me to come out. So anytime I was taken out, it was because they chose to like, and I loved when they did it. Like when he like, you know, broke the camera and stuff, when he jumped out and broke the cameras, like, fuck you.
Ryan (1:04:14)
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Well, even, you know, it’s funny. The Gambit thing was such a great gag too, because again, another great cameo, right? Like, yeah, like, that was amazing where you have this situation where, where, again, Channing Tatum is Gambit who was rumored to be Gambit for years. and you know, getting to see him on screen in the kind of ridiculous looking, but what like the, the, the like mockups looked like and Cartoon Accurate.
Ig (1:04:32)
Who’s your dialect coach?
Cartoon accurate.
Ryan (1:04:51)
But yeah, it’s like he was mumbling and I’m like, I don’t understand what he’s saying, but that was the whole gag. And they referenced that and then mentioning his dialogue coach. Like it was, it was so, it was so well done that yeah, you’re right. Like the moments you were taken out of
Cinik (1:05:02)
That costume, the costume would have worked if it wasn’t for the stuff around the neck. Like, you know, he made the joke about Batman being able to move and not being able to move his neck. And that’s exactly what they did with Gammon as they put him in a costume where he had no, like, control of the top half of his body. He just, couldn’t move around the way he needed to. Yeah, there was a point where he’s like, Gammon’s line was something like, even if they never wanted you or something like that. And I was just like, I audibly in the middle of it, went, God, it was just so painful.
Ryan (1:05:06)
Yeah, maybe that’s Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Yeah, no.
Yeah.
Cinik (1:05:32)
Like, I can tell you what though, usually I don’t care about the emotional ride of the characters because I know that’s, it’s very thin, but I was really engaged with Wolverine’s story
Ryan (1:05:46)
Yeah. So actually, okay. That’s my next question. So we’ll get to the fields, which is the last category is, that, so did that work for you? Cause obviously the emotional center to this movie is Wolverine. And the Mike, the question, and I guess it won’t get kind of getting your answer is the fact that, he does have these great moments. Does the humor take it? Did that take you out of it at all? Or did it, did they, were they able to make that timing
Cinik (1:05:55)
It absolutely did.
I wish they would have given us a little more detail and context to it. I wish they would have built it up a little bit more. But no, I I cared about it. I cared about him. I wanted him to redeem himself. That could be just my love for the character and love for Hugh Jackman, but not that particular Wolverine. But yeah, I mean, it did give me the feels.
Ig (1:06:32)
Well, he ended up being the best Wolverine, you know, because knowing that his is gone and there’s no bringing it back. He can give somebody else the world that they’re meant to have. And like and just everything he did, like it was the emotional beats on it were right. And the fact that like they say he’s wearing the costume because they always wanted him to and he wouldn’t, you know, and it’s like it’s his only reminder, like just everything they did about it. Like Hugh Jackman is a great
Ryan (1:06:44)
Yeah.
Ig (1:07:01)
I don’t care what you say. Like he does a good job. He’s been in a lot of things. He’s, I think he’s always done Wolverine. Well, he’s always been as much as he shouldn’t be. He’s always been the central character in every movie that he’s in, especially as Wolverine, right? Like he just pulls that
Cinik (1:07:17)
Can we agree though that number one, they really missed the boat by not putting him in a comic, accurate costume all this time and number two, not putting his hood
Ig (1:07:26)
Until the end, yeah.
Cinik (1:07:29)
Yes, it was fucking awesome when he put that up like it. I really got into it. It felt like I was watching a comic book and I enjoyed the shit out of
Ryan (1:07:34)
No. So I largely agree. think, I do think that it generally works. Like I think that, you know, that when he did have his emotional beats, like we were able to sit with it. Maybe I would, yeah, like you said, I think I would have liked a little more context, but how about for Deadpool? Cause it is Deadpool’s movie and it is about him trying to save his universe and his friends. Do, did he get the kind of emotional beats or did they get those emotional beats right for him? Or did they miss the boat a little bit on
Cinik (1:07:58)
I think they missed the mark a little bit. I wasn’t buying the him and Vanessa breaking up thing. Like I felt the, want to save the universe and save my friends and I want to do it because they need it. But I wasn’t buying the whole we broke up thing. Like first off, how do you break up with somebody that changes time to save your life? Like you’re emotionally attached to that person forever.
Ryan (1:08:20)
Yeah.
Ig (1:08:24)
Well, and not only changes time to save your life, but saves you off of other things before like has saved your life numerous times. Like you’re just gonna be like, okay, well, I’m gonna go over here now. No.
Ryan (1:08:31)
Yeah.
Yeah. It’s kind of like, it’s like, Hey, we don’t have anything for you to do this movie. so we’re just gonna write you out. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, this is so great. Yeah.
Cinik (1:08:39)
Well, that whole cast got fucked. I mean, I don’t know what they got paid, but I love those guys in the second movie, like all of them, Boopender, all of them, and they got nothing in this movie.
Ryan (1:08:49)
except for what’s his name? His favorite mustache guy. Peter. Peter got a little bit more, but yeah, that’s true. Yeah. But, all right, cool. So, all right, so let’s get, so scenic, give me your, your final thoughts, your rating and your favorite gag in the
Ig (1:08:52)
Now Peter.
Cinik (1:08:53)
Yeah, that.
Ig (1:08:57)
Peterpool.
Cinik (1:09:10)
Probably my favorite gag in the movie was him continuously telling Hugh Jackman that he’s going to be doing this till he’s 90. I absolutely fucking love that. Every time he said it, I just started laughing because we know it’s true. Like after this was not a one -off. I can 100 % guarantee you that we’re going to see Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine again. And it’ll make me laugh every time I see him suit up. Overall, mean, like I said, it did everything it needed to do. I enjoyed myself. I had a lot of fun. And it’s a movie that you
Ryan (1:09:15)
Yeah.
Cinik (1:09:40)
probably watch several more times and find something new every single time. I looked at the Easter egg videos on YouTube and some of them are two hours long. Two hours. That’s as long as the fucking movie. So it was just, mean, it’s putting Marvel back in a place that it needs to be in. Let’s hope that, you know, that Captain American can kind of continue that. And I’m super excited about the Thunderbolts. I just want to have fun again.
Ryan (1:09:50)
Crazy.
Cinik (1:10:10)
Like I don’t want it to be politics. I don’t want it to be beat down by the internet. I just want to sit down in a theater and lose myself for two hours and follow characters that I enjoy without some sort of hidden agenda attached to it. yeah, I mean, overall, you know, whatever our max rating is on the show, I would give that to this
Ryan (1:10:28)
Okay, so I guess a 10.
Ig (1:10:30)
whatever number that that is assigned to.
Cinik (1:10:33)
Whatever Ryan has cooked up that I don’t quite remember because I’m so giddy about this movie. I give it that It’s a ten and you guys can do whatever you’re
Ig (1:10:37)
It gets the biggest blackest hole. Is that what it gets?
Ryan (1:10:39)
It’s just out of How about you, Wink? So favorite gag?
Ig (1:10:47)
I think my favorite gag is all the Johnny Storm stuff, especially the end credits scene, right? And it’s one of those things that after seeing Chris Evans play Captain America, a very clean cut, very clean speaking character for as long as he did, because he played Cap for a long time. It had been, I think, 20 plus years since he was Johnny Storm. It had been a while. And seeing him go in and that just…
vulgarity ridden diatribe he went through about, you know, his his cinnamon ring and everything else at the end was so hilarious and so well done. And I think there was a hidden thing where it might have been the Kevin camera from She -Hulk watching them because there was a three lens camera in their cell thing that they were dragging them around with. I think maybe there’s something to that, but maybe not. Maybe I’m just trying to exposition something, but I think
Ryan (1:11:34)
Yeah. Yeah.
Ig (1:11:46)
You know, like watching him say flame on and doing some of the other stuff. Like I think that was. So out of left field that nobody expected that it was just really, really great. So I guess my favorite gag is is the Johnny Storm. I really enjoyed the movie. I’m not going to say it’s it’s it’s a 10 because I there’s a few things that I think are 10 and we’ve had them on other shows and on the Cinec Radio podcast. Another thing that I’ve said, you know, that’s 10.
And I think might even be like end game, I think was a 10, but I think this is probably just behind that. So I’d say it’s probably a nine, nine, five. And I. Yeah, probably. But I enjoyed it and it was fun. And this is one of those that it’s going to turn into like a movie that I will do it every time it’s on. It’s Blazing Saddles or Young Frankenstein. If it’s on, I’ll just watch it. And this will turn into one of those movies where if it’s on, I’ll just watch it because it’s just it’s one of those movies where.
Cinik (1:12:24)
You’re communist.
Ig (1:12:45)
It’s just so much fun to watch and there’s so many things going on that probably if I watch it 10 times, I’ll notice something new each time. like there even with all the spoiler videos and everything telling you about all the hidden Easter eggs, they’re going to continue to find stuff because there’s no way after one weekend of this movie being out that they caught everything. There’s just no way there’s so much stuff in this movie that it’s just going to work so well that there’s just a lot of things going
So yeah, I guess a nine five for me. I really enjoyed it. You know, I hope that they actually incorporate them in some way either into a fresh X -Men universe, Secret Wars, something that both of them get to keep doing these characters in some
Ryan (1:13:27)
Yeah. Yeah, no, I’m with you. I love the Chris Evans cameo and gag for a million reasons. think the fact that every, you know, you’re so shocked that everyone thought it’s Captain America, then it’s the flame on, then the way that they just kill him. And then the fact that Deadpool says, could, know, something along the lines of like, well, that’s as much as we could afford, or, you know, or it makes the movie cheaper, you know, and then the fact that you forget about it and then you
Cinik (1:13:50)
He’s killing the budget.
Ryan (1:13:54)
that whole end credit scene, which is one of the best end credit scenes, because it’s not a dumb reveal or whatever. It’s like, no, it’s actually, no, he wasn’t lying. This is actually what he said. It was brilliant. But my favorite gag is going to be the small Wolverine, right? Because like all of the nerds, including probably us at different times, would be like, well, Hugh Jackman’s great and all, but he’s so big. Like, Wolverine’s supposed to be small. He’s five, three, he’s small. And he’s like, you know, whatever, know, he’s Jack, but he’s not, you know.
And then you get a comics actor at Wolverine and you’re like, you know, you know what? I think they made the right choice in making Wolverine huge Ackman size. I don’t want to see like fun sized Wolverine. doesn’t, it doesn’t work in real life. It might work animated, yeah, no, that was a good point. I love that. I love that. That was like, we got that gag. Cause it was like, it totally, I will never ever think, you know what, let’s get like, if they’re going to cast a new Wolverine.
Ig (1:14:25)
He jumps off the stool.
Ryan (1:14:51)
My thought is not going to be, well, who’s the shortest, like jacked actor that we can pick? No, let’s get somebody that’s like, you know, Henry Cavill. That’s it. Good. We don’t need a short, a little Wolverine. So I love, I love that gag. but yeah, I think, you know, it’s interesting with this movie. It’s like, it’s, it’s one of those, I had such a good time that yeah, it’s like, you could sit there and nitpick and try to find little things wrong, but it was so much fun. you know, I’m with IG where like, I can’t give it a 10 just cause like there are 10s,
Cinik (1:15:18)
Just let your fucking tens out guys. You’re acting like it’s gonna take money out of your bank account, you fuckers. This movie was great. It did everything we needed to do, but we’re not gonna give it a 10, cause Endgame’s a 10. Endgame was a fucking masterpiece. They’re two entirely different movies, you cocksuckers. I
Ig (1:15:24)
It might.
Ryan (1:15:29)
You’re right. did do everything. You’re right. It did everything it needed to do. I still can’t give it a 10. I’m to give it a nine because I left the theater with a smile on my face. I was happy. I love the cameos. I love the comedy. I love the references. It was made for me. I’ll tell you why it’s not a 10. It’s not a 10 because
Cinik (1:15:44)
I hate you guys.
Ryan (1:15:53)
If you are not hyper aware of this universe and of all the things around it and all the media, you’re not going to get it. So more for me, it’s a 10. a little bit. Yeah. But it was great. I had a blast. I love, you I love the movie. you know, I had a good time and it was like, yeah, it’s can’t find much. It’s cool. know, like it gave you everything that you wanted out of a dead
Cinik (1:16:02)
It’s not a 10 because you guys just want to steal a little bit of my joy. That’s all it is. It’s that we can’t all just fucking agree. I’m going to give it a 9 .9999. Fuck you guys.
Ig (1:16:06)
Just a little bit, just a little bit of your joy.
Ryan (1:16:22)
And so yeah, had a blast.
Ig (1:16:26)
The only, no, it didn’t give me everything. It didn’t get another reappearance of Fred Savage.
Ryan (1:16:31)
Fair enough. But it was a great trilogy. Like, you know, it can sit and watch all three together and then you’ll get your you’ll get your Fred Savage. So. All right. Well, well, thanks. Thanks, guys. This is great. Really fun talking about it. And, Ig, until next
Ig (1:16:48)
Don’t get captured in the hole somewhere around the universe. Till you’re 90.
Ryan (1:16:51)
the
Cinik (1:16:52)
your 90.